Finding Balance in Life's Journey: Conversations with Nakia Campbell

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of The Kickback.

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I am your host, The Dude, and today is Tuesday.

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So, you know, every Tuesday we do a Topic Tuesday where we bring on people that

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are ordinary, that do extraordinary things in their life.

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So we like to welcome you to another episode. And as I say every episode, I love everybody.

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So in the spirit of International Women's Month, we have another amazing story

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from another amazing woman tonight. Dave, how are you tonight, my brother?

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Doing just fine, my brother. How about yourself?

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Man, I am doing amazing, man. It is. It has been a beautiful day.

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But this weather has been so up and down, man. I just don't know what to think

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of it. You know, it starts out really, really chilly early in the morning times.

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And then in the afternoon, it's like sweltering.

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So, you know, it is up and down here in Tennessee where we are.

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It is up and down and it's sweltering.

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But it kind of evened out this afternoon. It is not as hot as it has been.

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And, you know, but it's still hot, hotter than I would have liked it to be,

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you know, going from what we went from to this from early this morning.

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And, you know, maybe we could have had the temperature that we have right now,

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you know, at 12 o'clock, at one o'clock, at two o'clock.

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Maybe we could have had these temperatures then, but it waited to the afternoon

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to cool off. And from what the weather says, it's going to be a swelter this week.

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And, you know, last week it was kind of chilly and we had rain and all those different things.

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You know, this weather. Yeah, exactly.

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Typical Tennessee weather, man. And I don't think other people really recognize or understand.

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We are the northern most southern point.

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In a lot of places, you know, because we are the gateway into the north and

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we are the opening into the south.

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Looks like we have our special guest in the building tonight.

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I want everyone to welcome Miss Nakia Campbell. How are you tonight, ma'am?

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Hey, how are you? I'm good. I'm doing fine. Welcome to the kickback.

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This is a place where we like to have honest, true, vulnerable conversations.

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Now, that doesn't mean we're going to get into your personal life and we're

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going to dig into it, but we like to have honest conversations about life,

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love, marriage, children, and whatever it is that you have going on.

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I am your host, The Dude, and of course, my co-host, Mr. David Van Cleves,

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is always in the building with us.

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But nine times out of ten, he's just going to hang out in the background and

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take care of some other business for us.

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How are you this afternoon? I am well.

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You're well. Okay, so what part of the country are you in right now?

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Because from what I understand, you are a traveler.

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I love to travel. Yes, I am. I'm in middle Tennessee.

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Okay, so is Tennessee your home or is it just where you landed?

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Well, born here, went away when I was in the military and then came back.

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All righty, that's wonderful. So I am also born and raised in Nashville,

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Tennessee. You've been here my whole entire life. What do you think about this weather?

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It's crazy. It is crazy. It will be cold one day, hot the next day.

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That's why these hospitals are full of sick people.

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Right, right. So, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

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The weather has a mind of its own.

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Yes, it does have a mind of its own. So, here's the kickback.

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What I like to tell all my guests is I do my interviews like a mullet.

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We're going to get all the business out in the front, and then we're going to

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have a little fun on the back end.

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So what I need for you is to explain to my audience your name.

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Of course, we know you're from Middle Tennessee, but what you've done,

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who you are, and what you're passionate about.

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Okay. So my name is Nakia Campbell. I am located in Tallahassee,

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Tennessee. I am a licensed massage therapist.

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I'm also a nurse and an esthetician. However, massage is my passion right now.

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I have my own massage studio here in Talauma.

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I am very passionate about traveling and self-care and just self-awareness.

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All righty. So passionate about traveling, passionate about self-care and self-awareness,

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and you are, you said, a licensed esthetician? Correct.

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All righty. So explain to the people who don't know technical terms what an

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esthetician actually is.

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So an esthetician is a skincare specialist in the state of Tennessee.

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You have to be licensed in order to take care of other people's skin or remove

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hair or to, we tint eyebrows,

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we tint lashes, we do chemical peels.

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So you have to be licensed in the state of Tennessee. You have to go to school

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and it's approximately 600 hours.

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It was when I went to school. That was about 11 to 12 years ago. So understandable.

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So we are a veteran. What branch of the military are we a veteran from?

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Go Navy. Go Navy. OK. And how long did we spend in the Navy?

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I was a short term. I did two years and had children, got out early and came

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home and took care of the kids and then became a nurse afterwards.

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And as my children were getting older and had a grandchild, decided I wanted

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to make sure I could spend more time with him than I did with my kids.

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Because as a nurse, I was always working 16-hour shifts, 12, 16-hour shifts.

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So I miss my kids growing up, but I was determined not to do that with my grandson.

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Okay, so grandma is the loved person in the family always.

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So the grandbabies love their grandma because it sounds like you are the person

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that spoils your grandchildren.

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I do. As a single parent, I wasn't able to do it for my kids.

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So I definitely do it for my grandkids.

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They are my world.

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I have one that he made me a grandma early on, but he's my little buddy.

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He's about to turn 13 and he's still my buddy. Whatever.

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If Gigi's around, it's him and Gigi.

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It's him and Gigi. Now, let's talk about your passion for people because from

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what I understand during COVID, you kind of switched lanes a little bit.

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What was the driving force behind switching lanes during COVID?

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So, the driving force behind switching lanes was I have a daughter that was 22.

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And right before COVID, she had had a car wreck and she broke her neck and broke

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her leg. And so she had a long recovery.

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And then my grandson, my grandchildren's mother, she was a kidney transplant.

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She was on the list for a kidney transplant. And so I knew that working in and

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out of the hospital, it was going to be hard to keep them from getting anything.

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And truth be told, I brought COVID home and gave it to them both, tried not to.

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And so I just wanted them to stay healthy. And it really just,

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COVID changed a lot of things for me about how I thought about doing things.

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I've always been taught you get a job, you work, you work, you work, you work.

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And now I don't believe that. I believe that you have to balance work with play.

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You need to enjoy life because life is very short for some of us.

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I'd rather say that I did it and missed out on work than I didn't and missed out on my family.

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Understandable. I get that. But shame on you. You brought COVID home to them, baby.

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Shame on you. You brought COVID. Hey, but I think COVID might have,

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I don't know if I brought it home or what I had it on my clothes or something,

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because during the pandemic, I was a chef at a,

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assistant, well, it wasn't assistant.

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It was an independent living facility.

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And so, you know, children and older people are more successful.

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You know, the word I'm trying to say, I can't get it out, to catching things.

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As many protocols as we had in place and as many things as we tried to do to

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keep people in the building and not going out, people still were going out and

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people were still doing things and they brought it into the building.

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And even though So we worked in the building and they kind of separated the

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crew, you know, in the kitchen. It's still hard to separate people in the kitchen

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because you still got to walk past somebody because you got to go to the pantry

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or I need to cook something over here.

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So we still I think it still made its way through.

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But it was an experience in itself because they made us essential workers because

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the building was open 365 days, seven days a week. And we had to cook three meals a day.

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Didn't matter what, because these people lived here. This was their home.

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This is, you know, this was everything to them. And so.

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I think I think we may have got it at the house. I know my wife caught it,

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but I didn't have it. But my wife caught it. I think my son.

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We don't know if he actually had it or if he had a coal, but it kind of it kind

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of made its way through the house.

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But so we are a dedicated grandma that spoils all the kids.

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We are a traveler. we are navy person we are esthetician those are a lot of titles to carry,

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it is i i i'm an overachiever sounds like it sounds like you want to you want

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to be at the head of the class and the teacher's pet oh yeah that that that's

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my that's my i like being a teacher's pet.

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Well, hey, some of us do, some of us don't. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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I don't see anything wrong with being a teacher's pet. Well, there's benefits to it.

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It is. It is benefits to being at the head of the class, and there's also benefits

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of being the teacher's pet.

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So tell everyone about the camper.

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Oh, so in, God, was it 2021 during COVID, I had always wanted a camper,

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but I knew that with truck prices being what they were, and then I knew I could

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not afford one of those big old classy RVs.

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So I'd gotten this idea.

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I had started watching YouTube, and anybody who watches YouTube know that it's like a rabbit hole.

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YouTube University will get you every time. Been there, done that.

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So I saw a young lady who took a, I'm sorry, she took a schoolie,

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four window bus, and she turned it into a camper.

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And so I was like, wow.

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And you know that during that time, they gave us them good old stimuluses.

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And I was like, okay, I was like, this is not part of the budget.

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So I went online and it was called public auction.

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And I bid on a bus, not knowing anything about the bus.

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And so, more and behold, I won the bus.

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But it was weird because there was a church that was bidding against me.

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And they were like, you know, they messaged me and they were like,

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do you really want this bus?

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And I was like, yeah, I'm like a grandma. I want to take my kids camping and so on.

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And so on the bus, I took off and went to Oklahoma. Didn't tell anybody I was going.

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Had my friend drop me off at the airport.

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Went to Oklahoma and drove it back. That was in May. I got home May 1st.

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And my first camping trip was in June.

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So I tore out the seats, ripped up the floors.

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I just tore it down to bare metal.

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So then there's a book called Schoolies and how to build a schoolie.

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And it told you from the beginning of ripping it out to the end.

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And so I took and built a bus and it was the best thing that I've ever done.

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I have a full-size bed with an eight-inch mattress on it. I have a kitchen.

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I build a bench, and it is just so comfortable.

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It's so funny because people see it, and it's purple, and everybody knows it's

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me because purple is my favorite color.

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But I have been interview twice by different channels on YouTube for building out my bus.

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And it helped me to realize that.

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Done is better than perfection sometimes, because sometimes if we wait for perfection, we won't do it.

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And so me just doing it, it gave me it gave me confidence in myself,

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a confidence that I didn't have, you know, because I figured I didn't know how to use.

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I did not know how to use a drill correctly. I didn't know how to hold a drill.

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And my friend, my best friend, she laughs because she also built hers to build out hers, too.

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But she has lots more experience.

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But it was one of the proudest things, proudest moments when I was able to take

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off and go camping for a week.

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And just it was so peaceful.

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And so I was hooked.

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Right. So amen to that. What you just said about perfection.

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And it's so true because a lot of us feel like it.

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And I'm guilty of that. I'm one of those people that in certain projects,

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if I don't get it perfected, then I'll throw it away.

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I have a bad habit of that. I really do. I have a bad habit of that.

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And I hadn't come to that place where you are, where you said good enough is

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good enough as long as it does the job.

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And I want to say kudos to you for being adventurous because we need a lot more

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people to be that adventurous.

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Like you said, nobody knew you were going. You got your best friend to drop you off at the airport.

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You flew to Oklahoma not knowing if this van ran, what was mechanically wrong

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with it. You saw pictures, of course, but pictures sometimes lie because I've

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been in the car industry.

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So I know people know how to take pictures and hide imperfections and things

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of that nature. So you didn't really know what particular order this thing was

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in, but you took a step out on faith.

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And that my sister, I give you all the praise in the world.

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I didn't. And you know, I tell people all the time that it was a God thing because

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first, first of all, I was so stressed during COVID.

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Mental health, my mental health definitely declined during COVID because I didn't

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know that I was, even though I'm an introvert, I thrive when I'm around people.

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Whereas when I'm alone, it's like, so like I said, it was a God thing because

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I got the stimulus that we didn't know we was getting.

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Then I won the bus because the church and I was all I was sure that I wasn't

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going to win. So I happened to go to this.

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I mean, it was Oklahoma and it was like this town that nobody had ever heard of.

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However, the bus was in great condition because they had kept it up.

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They had put it right before COVID, they had put a new motor in it.

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When I got there, they filled my gas tank up.

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And so it was just, it was something that was needed for me.

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And she was definitely for me. So she has been great.

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I took her to Canada. We went to, we did a month long trip up to Michigan, to the upper peninsula.

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So it's been an adventure.

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Well, you know what? That's that is something like you said, it was what you needed.

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And the fact that you stepped out on faith and you did these things,

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that's an inspiration in itself.

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And from what I've seen from your content that you've put online and also reading

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your bio, you started a women's group.

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I did. I started a women's camping group in my first camping trip.

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We went to Cumberland Mountain State Park, and we had 25 women come in. I mean, I had women.

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I had a woman come from New York. I had women from Alabama, from Georgia, and Tennessee.

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And we all just got together and camped and had a great time,

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a great time. So it's about that time again to start camping.

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And so I'm looking into planning some things for this summer.

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How hard was it to organize and get all these people together from all these

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different places? And how did they enjoy the experience of meeting?

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I'm pretty sure it was just women, right? Or was it like couples?

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It was just women. It was just women. Okay.

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And first, it was for some who had not. it was women from all walks of life,

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women who were retired. There were women who were still working.

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There were teachers. There were nurses.

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And everybody just came together.

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I had a plan, and the plan was just so that everybody, we did gain. So you,

00:19:09.655 --> 00:19:13.355
People got to know each other. We did a potluck so everyone could,

00:19:13.555 --> 00:19:19.435
we could break bread together. We also went on hikes together.

00:19:19.775 --> 00:19:25.795
So it was just, it was, it was great because I didn't think as many women were

00:19:25.795 --> 00:19:31.995
going to come as came from different places.

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And then I was like, when people started rolling in, I was like, oh my God, shot.

00:19:38.115 --> 00:19:44.635
But we just had the best time. It was it was something for everybody and everybody got along.

00:19:44.855 --> 00:19:47.695
You did what you wanted to do, didn't do what you didn't want to do.

00:19:47.895 --> 00:19:50.415
It was just it was just good.

00:19:51.495 --> 00:19:52.655
How many fights were?

00:19:54.175 --> 00:19:57.595
None. There might have been some fights afterwards.

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I mean, you know, I'm just I'm making general conversation.

00:20:01.475 --> 00:20:06.435
I'm actually just really sarcastic and funny because. No, you're not being sarcastic

00:20:06.435 --> 00:20:09.575
and funny because, you know, when you get a bunch of women in one place.

00:20:09.655 --> 00:20:12.695
Right okay so let's just

00:20:12.695 --> 00:20:16.275
be honest then you get a yes you know

00:20:16.275 --> 00:20:21.975
different you get different age groups because you got you got yes you have

00:20:21.975 --> 00:20:28.135
the what is it the silent generation and then you got the baby boomers and then

00:20:28.135 --> 00:20:34.035
you've got gen x and then you've got the millennials and then you've at the Z's.

00:20:34.915 --> 00:20:39.895
We didn't have any millennials or Z's. Hey, hey, hey, wonderful then.

00:20:40.275 --> 00:20:45.035
We didn't have any of those, but we had the oldest woman, I think, was 70?

00:20:45.815 --> 00:20:51.735
Right, right. And the youngest one was probably about 30, but you know,

00:20:51.915 --> 00:20:55.995
we all have, all of us had raised our families.

00:20:56.195 --> 00:20:59.435
We all have either been

00:20:59.435 --> 00:21:02.875
married and divorced or married and husband doesn't

00:21:02.875 --> 00:21:05.835
want to camp or whatever but it was just really

00:21:05.835 --> 00:21:11.775
good bonding time with with sisters and we got to talk about things you know

00:21:11.775 --> 00:21:16.935
that we can't you can't talk about with your husband before you know so it was

00:21:16.935 --> 00:21:21.295
it was a good thing now how did you organize and where did you put this together

00:21:21.295 --> 00:21:24.815
is this a facebook group is this it's on facebook it's called.

00:21:27.535 --> 00:21:31.495
Tullahoma Girlfriend's Club. Okay. And so I just went on Facebook,

00:21:31.735 --> 00:21:36.655
you know, because I see people always ask me, I wish you would let me know when

00:21:36.655 --> 00:21:37.615
you're doing something else.

00:21:37.715 --> 00:21:40.655
And so I was like, okay, let's throw it out there.

00:21:40.775 --> 00:21:44.655
So I threw it out there. I picked the part that I knew would have.

00:21:46.376 --> 00:21:50.776
Openings for everybody. I went ahead and signed up for my spot.

00:21:51.056 --> 00:21:55.636
And then I went ahead and told all the ladies where I would be so they could

00:21:55.636 --> 00:21:58.956
go ahead and book their spots. So everybody booked their spots.

00:21:59.196 --> 00:22:02.536
Some told me that they had booked and some didn't.

00:22:03.536 --> 00:22:11.556
So we all booked and we had we had people that were we had me and my best friend in our buses.

00:22:11.736 --> 00:22:16.416
We had another lady that It was in a full-size bus.

00:22:16.936 --> 00:22:23.916
We had three ladies that were in their, I think it's called like the Chevy vans.

00:22:24.036 --> 00:22:28.216
You remember the old vans that families used to have when y'all were going out?

00:22:28.456 --> 00:22:32.256
Yes, ma'am. I do remember those vans. I know exactly what you're talking about.

00:22:32.576 --> 00:22:36.736
So we even had two that was in the two-in tents.

00:22:36.996 --> 00:22:41.236
And then we had a lady with one of the little Ford Transit Connect.

00:22:42.036 --> 00:22:43.436
So it was great.

00:22:45.036 --> 00:22:49.256
That is I mean, it's wonderful that, like you said, you could get that many

00:22:49.256 --> 00:22:54.716
people together and being a Nashville native and being from Tennessee my whole entire life.

00:22:54.856 --> 00:23:00.136
I think sometimes people don't think when outsiders, people from other states,

00:23:00.136 --> 00:23:05.576
they don't look at us as being as venturous as we are and having the ability

00:23:05.576 --> 00:23:08.656
to touch the world unless we're singing.

00:23:09.456 --> 00:23:12.196
You understand what I'm saying? Because Tennessee is known for what?

00:23:12.296 --> 00:23:13.536
Memphis is known for the blues.

00:23:13.676 --> 00:23:18.156
Nashville is known for country music. So they don't think that we have a reach

00:23:18.156 --> 00:23:22.156
unless we're standing on a stage entertaining people.

00:23:22.316 --> 00:23:27.276
But, you know, you talk about where you live at now, and it brings up funny,

00:23:27.376 --> 00:23:31.796
funny stories because years ago, and I mean probably 20 years ago,

00:23:32.056 --> 00:23:35.236
in the middle of Tullahoma, there's a Waffle House.

00:23:35.576 --> 00:23:40.656
Uh-huh. And I used to do security there years ago when it was really,

00:23:40.816 --> 00:23:43.116
really rough and really, really wild.

00:23:45.372 --> 00:23:48.332
Yeah now everybody done got old and

00:23:48.332 --> 00:23:51.112
the roughness is people waiting for a seat to

00:23:51.112 --> 00:23:54.352
get in on saturday that's about it really but this

00:23:54.352 --> 00:23:57.052
used to be like fridays and saturday nights when they used

00:23:57.052 --> 00:23:59.712
to have nightclubs that yeah that's what

00:23:59.712 --> 00:24:03.272
i was gonna say that was probably when they had the clubs down here yeah

00:24:03.272 --> 00:24:06.912
yeah and the waffle house was it

00:24:06.912 --> 00:24:09.972
was rough i say it was the accurate

00:24:09.972 --> 00:24:12.792
spot see that was people coming from everywhere i can

00:24:12.792 --> 00:24:15.612
guarantee you 90 of them people wasn't

00:24:15.612 --> 00:24:18.792
from telehoma oh no no no they weren't from telehoma no

00:24:18.792 --> 00:24:21.832
no no no 99.9 of

00:24:21.832 --> 00:24:24.992
those people were not from telehoma but they the

00:24:24.992 --> 00:24:28.572
club was like around the corner up the street somewhere it

00:24:28.572 --> 00:24:31.412
was like a little row of bars or something and everybody came

00:24:31.412 --> 00:24:34.232
there and hung out and that like you

00:24:34.232 --> 00:24:38.292
said the waffle house was an after spot and we

00:24:38.292 --> 00:24:40.972
did security there for about two or three years me

00:24:40.972 --> 00:24:44.052
and my brother and a couple other guys and by

00:24:44.052 --> 00:24:49.172
the time we left there they had pretty much calmed down i think one or two of

00:24:49.172 --> 00:24:54.192
the clubs had gotten shut down and people were going to murfreesboro or other

00:24:54.192 --> 00:24:59.232
places to party and they were no longer coming to is it manchester i mean yeah

00:24:59.232 --> 00:25:03.372
manchester manchester manchester as we call it.

00:25:03.592 --> 00:25:08.072
They were coming out of man catcher coming over to tell a homer and partying

00:25:08.072 --> 00:25:10.172
and tearing up the city and then going back home.

00:25:11.732 --> 00:25:16.312
So being that you have all these titles, what are you studying now?

00:25:16.512 --> 00:25:20.512
What is the new adventure that Ms. Campbell is on now?

00:25:21.012 --> 00:25:24.312
So I am in school right now.

00:25:26.792 --> 00:25:32.452
I am studying business management. I have had a business for 11 years.

00:25:32.592 --> 00:25:34.212
I think it'll be 11 years come April.

00:25:34.672 --> 00:25:43.172
And I pursue my degree in business management with a concentration on medical office.

00:25:43.332 --> 00:25:48.092
And that'll help me to do some behind the scenes work.

00:25:48.272 --> 00:25:53.032
I've always worked with people, hands-on touching people.

00:25:53.292 --> 00:25:56.732
However, I think it's time for career change

00:25:56.732 --> 00:26:00.032
and working behind the scenes

00:26:00.032 --> 00:26:03.072
probably doing some coding or

00:26:03.072 --> 00:26:09.332
some office management from afar yeah i don't i don't want to touch you no more

00:26:09.332 --> 00:26:13.612
stop get away from me everybody's weird now i don't want to touch you get away

00:26:13.612 --> 00:26:18.052
from me so what about your massage business are you still going to do that oh

00:26:18.052 --> 00:26:21.692
yeah i'll do that for a while and so i so you still touching people,

00:26:22.556 --> 00:26:25.616
Well, I have, so I have gotten my practice.

00:26:25.796 --> 00:26:30.956
My practice now is one of the practices where I don't see people that I don't like.

00:26:31.236 --> 00:26:35.396
People that, people that don't bring me joy, people that don't,

00:26:35.476 --> 00:26:37.616
that like steal my energy.

00:26:38.496 --> 00:26:44.216
I will fairly happily refer you to somebody else. Amen.

00:26:44.696 --> 00:26:51.916
So my clients are, I love, most of my clients have become like family.

00:26:51.916 --> 00:26:58.256
And I probably see a good 10 to 15 people a week, which for most people, they're like, what?

00:26:58.556 --> 00:27:03.216
Yeah, so massage therapists, most massage therapists don't work a 40-hour week

00:27:03.216 --> 00:27:04.636
because of the hands-on.

00:27:04.816 --> 00:27:09.956
So I see 10 to 15 people. And my clients just, they bring me joy.

00:27:10.296 --> 00:27:13.956
For so long, I had to do it because I had to do it.

00:27:14.156 --> 00:27:18.996
Now I'm at the point where I can do it because I enjoy it. I told a client today,

00:27:19.136 --> 00:27:24.596
as a matter of fact, she's like, she's in her 70s. I love her.

00:27:24.696 --> 00:27:27.256
I see her every week for an hour massage.

00:27:28.156 --> 00:27:32.556
And I'm like, her and her husband are talking about moving to Franklin.

00:27:32.756 --> 00:27:34.236
I'm like, you can't leave me.

00:27:35.176 --> 00:27:39.796
She's more like family than she is quiet.

00:27:40.056 --> 00:27:44.056
But you know, they say if you find something that you love, you never work a day in your life.

00:27:44.396 --> 00:27:47.816
And it don't feel like work now. it does not feel like work.

00:27:47.996 --> 00:27:52.216
As a matter of fact, I just finished up giving a client a two-hour massage.

00:27:53.696 --> 00:27:59.296
First of all, it was what she needed. Then it was calming for me.

00:27:59.556 --> 00:28:04.496
When you can go to work and if you're stressed out and go to work and what you're

00:28:04.496 --> 00:28:07.516
doing calms you down, calms, settles your spirit.

00:28:07.676 --> 00:28:10.696
I'm like, that's what I enjoy. That's this.

00:28:10.976 --> 00:28:14.256
That's what we're doing right now. This is what calms my spirit.

00:28:14.456 --> 00:28:19.356
This is what gives me the love. I love having great conversations with great people.

00:28:19.696 --> 00:28:24.156
And before you came on, I always introduce, when I do my intro to the show,

00:28:24.176 --> 00:28:29.296
I say, we have conversations with ordinary people doing extraordinary things

00:28:29.296 --> 00:28:32.036
in this world. And that's what you're doing.

00:28:32.216 --> 00:28:36.156
You're an ordinary person, but you've done some extraordinary things in this world.

00:28:36.316 --> 00:28:39.356
You know, this women's camping group, you know, being

00:28:39.356 --> 00:28:42.956
the massage therapist who now treats her

00:28:42.956 --> 00:28:45.936
her clients as family and like you said this

00:28:45.936 --> 00:28:50.976
70 something year old woman she needed that and i'm pretty sure you guys have

00:28:50.976 --> 00:28:54.916
conversations and you know their families and you know their kids and you know

00:28:54.916 --> 00:28:59.236
you know you've really grown i don't know how long you've had these particular

00:28:59.236 --> 00:29:05.156
clients but they've become family and it's like that for me here on The Kickback,

00:29:05.376 --> 00:29:11.236
majority of the people I interview become family, and I've made some connections with them.

00:29:11.356 --> 00:29:15.296
And I tell people all the time, this is therapeutic to me.

00:29:15.994 --> 00:29:20.614
So it's not a job. It's having great conversations with people.

00:29:20.754 --> 00:29:23.014
I don't want to come on here. I don't have a script.

00:29:24.154 --> 00:29:29.714
I have a script, but nine times out of 10, I don't use my script because it's

00:29:29.714 --> 00:29:32.034
so generic to the radio space.

00:29:32.034 --> 00:29:35.914
A lot of people are like, man, that's the same question somebody asked me on

00:29:35.914 --> 00:29:43.274
the other show. So I base my experience on just having a genuine conversation about life.

00:29:43.434 --> 00:29:46.534
Just let's talk about where you're at, who you are.

00:29:46.794 --> 00:29:51.594
What's your ambitions in life? What what do you see the way you see this world?

00:29:51.874 --> 00:29:54.094
You know, nothing too personal.

00:29:54.494 --> 00:29:58.174
And I'm like, I just told you about Tullahoma. I worked in Tullahoma.

00:29:58.174 --> 00:30:05.354
You saying Tullahoma was like it brought up nostalgia of those moments of being

00:30:05.354 --> 00:30:10.534
there and knowing what I did in Tullahoma and what I shouldn't have been doing in Tullahoma.

00:30:10.974 --> 00:30:17.314
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why it brought up some some questionable

00:30:17.314 --> 00:30:22.994
events that I involved with my me and my brother involved ourselves in while we were in Tullahoma.

00:30:22.994 --> 00:30:31.134
That little bitty small town when I say Tullahoma almost got us in some real trouble.

00:30:32.225 --> 00:30:37.465
Well, it has definitely grown. It's definitely not that Tallahoma anymore.

00:30:38.125 --> 00:30:43.245
It's growing. I was telling my client today, I was like, I lived in Muffresboro

00:30:43.245 --> 00:30:46.365
before it started, before the boom started.

00:30:47.165 --> 00:30:53.265
And I can see the same thing happening in Tallahoma because we're getting a Panera.

00:30:53.885 --> 00:30:59.685
Who would ever think that you were getting a Panera bread? But,

00:30:59.685 --> 00:31:05.225
you know, Joby Jackson is about to get a Buc-ee's. I will be there.

00:31:05.425 --> 00:31:08.265
I will be I will be there when they open.

00:31:09.305 --> 00:31:13.185
I will be alive. See, me and the wife just for spring break,

00:31:13.365 --> 00:31:16.425
because I drive a school, I drive a metro school bus.

00:31:16.825 --> 00:31:20.745
So we for spring break, you know, we're out with kids or whatever.

00:31:20.945 --> 00:31:24.865
So me and the wife decided that we were going to go to Florida and we drove.

00:31:25.345 --> 00:31:28.725
And, you know, about an hour and a half outside of Nashville.

00:31:28.725 --> 00:31:30.565
And Alabama's a Buc-ee's. Yeah.

00:31:31.005 --> 00:31:39.225
We spent more money inside of Buc-ee's versus buying gas.

00:31:39.785 --> 00:31:43.745
I will tell you, Buc-ee's is my guilty pleasure.

00:31:43.985 --> 00:31:49.085
Now, I take that back. You asked, was there an argument during the camping trip?

00:31:49.325 --> 00:31:53.945
It was because I wanted to go to Buc-ee's. And somebody was like,

00:31:54.065 --> 00:31:57.605
Buc-ee's is not a destination. I'm like, for me, it is.

00:31:57.725 --> 00:32:00.685
It is. it is a destination some people don't see

00:32:00.685 --> 00:32:04.125
that and I tell you what you remind me when you

00:32:04.125 --> 00:32:07.305
say that you remind me of a video I just watched

00:32:07.305 --> 00:32:13.945
earlier on TikTok and the young lady was breaking down Bucky's and that's exactly

00:32:13.945 --> 00:32:19.665
what she said she says Bucky's is a destination you don't get out to fill up

00:32:19.665 --> 00:32:26.905
you disembark from your vehicle and you go on an adventure inside of Bucky's.

00:32:28.570 --> 00:32:33.810
Buc-ee's, I tell you what, when we know we're going somewhere where there's

00:32:33.810 --> 00:32:38.750
a Buc-ee, it's more excitement to go to Buc-ee's than it is to go to the actual destination.

00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:47.650
You've got to put Buc-ee's on the itinerary. I have probably nine or ten Buc-ee's blankets.

00:32:48.070 --> 00:32:52.690
I go into Buc-ee's to see what their new blanket is for the holidays,

00:32:52.690 --> 00:32:59.650
for each holiday. So my kids are like, you got another blanket? Yes, I do.

00:33:00.010 --> 00:33:02.130
You don't have a problem with it.

00:33:02.650 --> 00:33:05.910
No, you got a problem. They don't have a problem.

00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:10.710
You got the problem because every time a new blanket come out, you got to have it.

00:33:10.750 --> 00:33:15.590
So you got a Bucky's blanket problem, but it's a good problem to have.

00:33:15.590 --> 00:33:21.970
And I think it's it's amazing that we're able to enjoy what God has blessed

00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:25.510
us with to be able to indulge in those type of things.

00:33:25.630 --> 00:33:28.390
Like this time I bought a hat, I bought a lanyard.

00:33:28.690 --> 00:33:34.170
The next time I go, I probably buy another hat. I'm going to start a collection of Bucky hats.

00:33:35.330 --> 00:33:38.530
I get it. I understand where you're at. I get it.

00:33:38.610 --> 00:33:45.530
Blankets are so soft. and they're like, I'm like, I come home and my recliner

00:33:45.530 --> 00:33:47.870
is a Bucky's blanket beside it.

00:33:47.950 --> 00:33:52.550
And I will sit in the chair and do homework and my dog will get on the other side.

00:33:52.830 --> 00:33:55.210
And we are just happy.

00:33:56.070 --> 00:34:00.010
You're in your happy place, man. Bucky's is a happy place.

00:34:01.530 --> 00:34:09.870
That's wonderful. So we are esthetician. We are a massage therapist and we are

00:34:09.870 --> 00:34:12.130
a super girl traveling hero.

00:34:13.450 --> 00:34:18.010
How many states have we been to in the United States? Hello?

00:34:19.370 --> 00:34:23.510
I'm here. Say that again. I'm sorry. I lost my connection. I said,

00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:27.290
how many states have we been to in the United States?

00:34:27.670 --> 00:34:29.950
Let me count. Okay.

00:34:30.930 --> 00:34:37.630
Okay. I'm going to start with the A's. I've been to Alabama. I've been to Arizona.

00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:39.910
Saw that in the video.

00:34:40.970 --> 00:34:43.710
Let's see. I've been to Colorado.

00:34:44.790 --> 00:34:48.790
I have been to, let's see. I've been to Colorado.

00:34:49.590 --> 00:34:52.970
I haven't been to any of the D's, I don't think.

00:34:53.750 --> 00:34:59.770
Okay, so we're at three so far. Okay, so North Carolina, South Carolina,

00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:04.890
Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky.

00:35:04.910 --> 00:35:08.150
I've been to Ohio, Illinois.

00:35:08.970 --> 00:35:14.930
We're at 11. Louisiana. 12. I've been to Arkansas.

00:35:15.610 --> 00:35:18.930
13. St. Louis, Missouri. 14.

00:35:19.370 --> 00:35:34.670
I went to miss miss wisconsin and michigan 15 16 oklahoma texas 17 18 new mexico wyoming red 20.

00:35:35.737 --> 00:35:40.437
California, Nevada. 22. 21. Yeah, 22.

00:35:41.077 --> 00:35:46.257
Okay, 22. So you've been to probably half of the states because you've traveled through.

00:35:46.597 --> 00:35:49.237
Even if you didn't stop, you've traveled through some other states.

00:35:49.297 --> 00:35:51.457
No, there are all states that I have spent one night in.

00:35:51.657 --> 00:35:55.057
Okay, well, that's wonderful. All the states that you've spent one night in,

00:35:55.177 --> 00:35:56.617
you've done more than me.

00:35:57.377 --> 00:36:03.517
And you've probably done a lot more than a lot of people when it comes to traveling.

00:36:03.797 --> 00:36:08.677
What? Now, I know you talked about your grandkids and how you didn't get to

00:36:08.677 --> 00:36:12.577
be there for your children, so you're there for your grandkids. But what about you?

00:36:12.817 --> 00:36:20.517
What's the driving force behind Ms. Campbell to do all of these things and just

00:36:20.517 --> 00:36:23.097
maneuver the way you maneuver?

00:36:23.257 --> 00:36:28.317
Because a lot of people don't have the faith nor the strength to do all the

00:36:28.317 --> 00:36:29.237
things that you've done.

00:36:29.797 --> 00:36:37.057
So for me, coming out of the military, after coming out of the military, I didn't know who I was.

00:36:37.377 --> 00:36:44.117
I didn't, my identity had always been caught up in someone else.

00:36:44.317 --> 00:36:48.837
And so I had wanted to find out who I was.

00:36:48.937 --> 00:36:53.197
So my aunt, who's passed away, she raised me.

00:36:53.637 --> 00:37:00.557
And she was always one to say, go for it. She would always just throw the rock

00:37:00.557 --> 00:37:03.437
and see where it landed, and she was gone.

00:37:03.717 --> 00:37:10.057
And she had this love of travel and love of cruising and just seeing different

00:37:10.057 --> 00:37:14.837
things that always seemed to make her excited and happy.

00:37:15.037 --> 00:37:21.057
And so I wanted that for myself. I wanted to find out who I was. I wanted to...

00:37:22.152 --> 00:37:26.512
Know that wherever I was, that I could take care of me.

00:37:26.772 --> 00:37:30.692
I could take care of me and I could keep me safe.

00:37:30.812 --> 00:37:35.092
Because for a long time, I didn't have that confidence in myself.

00:37:35.492 --> 00:37:41.472
And so over the past few years, I have been in therapy.

00:37:41.912 --> 00:37:49.492
And it has just been, it's people who know me now say that I'm just a different person.

00:37:49.752 --> 00:37:55.032
Amen. Listen to that. The healing, the healing.

00:37:55.412 --> 00:38:02.412
So many people in the African-American community don't understand what you just

00:38:02.412 --> 00:38:04.832
said, and they're living in their

00:38:04.832 --> 00:38:10.332
traumatic experiences, and then they're passing it on to their children.

00:38:10.332 --> 00:38:13.812
Children they're living in their traumatic experiences

00:38:13.812 --> 00:38:16.692
and passing it on to their children and at our

00:38:16.692 --> 00:38:19.572
big ages because you're not that far away from

00:38:19.572 --> 00:38:22.852
me we're i'm i'm in the i'm in the mid fours you

00:38:22.852 --> 00:38:26.732
you just hit the fives so we we

00:38:26.732 --> 00:38:31.812
grew up in a time where things were totally different than they are now we live

00:38:31.812 --> 00:38:37.072
in a totally different world as where our parents and grandparents didn't believe

00:38:37.072 --> 00:38:44.772
in therapy or finding out what the root cause of whatever it is that you're going through.

00:38:45.092 --> 00:38:51.092
Now we're exploring those territories and finding out that what happened to

00:38:51.092 --> 00:38:56.332
grandma, she passed it on to mama and then mama passed that on to me.

00:38:56.512 --> 00:38:59.652
And now I don't want to pass that on to my grandchildren

00:38:59.652 --> 00:39:08.212
exactly and i have a it it's a huge one in it my mom for years when i first

00:39:08.212 --> 00:39:12.892
started therapy they were like well you know what how the african-american community

00:39:12.892 --> 00:39:18.092
is normally it's either a laugh or it's pray about it and i was like well god

00:39:18.092 --> 00:39:19.292
wants you to pray about it but he.

00:39:21.702 --> 00:39:26.462
And so last year, after me being in counseling for four years,

00:39:27.062 --> 00:39:36.122
therapy, my mom decided she was going to go to therapy and it has changed our relationship.

00:39:36.822 --> 00:39:41.642
It has been tremendous. Praise God for that.

00:39:42.182 --> 00:39:45.422
It's been such a healing journey for both of us.

00:39:46.022 --> 00:39:51.162
Praise God for that. And the fact that it took, are you the oldest child or

00:39:51.162 --> 00:39:53.622
are you the youngest? I am not. I am.

00:39:53.922 --> 00:39:57.622
I'm basically the middle child. I'm the second oldest.

00:39:57.842 --> 00:40:02.122
I have a brother who's older than me. Then I have two sisters that are same age as my daughter.

00:40:02.622 --> 00:40:06.942
Okay. So you, you must be the, the, the, the trendsetter.

00:40:07.622 --> 00:40:13.382
You must be the, the person that everybody looks to for advice and to save them.

00:40:14.462 --> 00:40:17.462
Because it usually the mama

00:40:17.462 --> 00:40:20.502
i'm like the mama that is i'm like

00:40:20.502 --> 00:40:25.102
the mama like my sisters know that they my little sisters know they can't get

00:40:25.102 --> 00:40:31.102
they can't get anything over on me and so and my brother you know he's older

00:40:31.102 --> 00:40:36.502
he does his thing but i'm the one who my mom says it she always says that she

00:40:36.502 --> 00:40:40.342
didn't worry about because she knew i was gonna be fine man don't you hate that?

00:40:40.942 --> 00:40:45.842
Don't you hate that? For a minute, I didn't know how to tell her that,

00:40:46.702 --> 00:40:50.802
even though I'm going to be fine, I want you to worry about me too.

00:40:51.102 --> 00:40:53.962
I want you. I want some of the titty too.

00:40:54.982 --> 00:41:00.542
I want some of the titty too, dinger. Yeah. I mean, in my case,

00:41:00.562 --> 00:41:02.662
I'm the oldest, I'm the oldest boy.

00:41:04.162 --> 00:41:09.202
And I, I'm still that one, even to this day, like you said, I'm the one,

00:41:09.342 --> 00:41:13.182
even though I'm the oldest, but still my mother was, that's what my mother said.

00:41:13.282 --> 00:41:15.262
She, you the one I ain't got to worry about.

00:41:15.802 --> 00:41:18.862
You the one, I know you're going to make a way. I know you're going to figure

00:41:18.862 --> 00:41:20.582
it out. I know you're going to fix it.

00:41:20.702 --> 00:41:26.102
And she calls me, my car broke down, or I need to do this, or I need to do that.

00:41:26.122 --> 00:41:29.462
And I'm like, I got other siblings. Can't you call them ninjas?

00:41:29.962 --> 00:41:31.042
Call them ninjas.

00:41:32.402 --> 00:41:37.562
Call them. You call me for everything. That used to bother me,

00:41:37.642 --> 00:41:40.362
but now it doesn't that she calls me.

00:41:40.362 --> 00:41:48.702
Because I know that with my mom, that it takes a whole lot for her to ask for

00:41:48.702 --> 00:41:51.262
anything or to say that she needs anything.

00:41:51.742 --> 00:41:58.662
But, you know, when she does voice that, I'm like, okay.

00:41:59.022 --> 00:42:02.202
But now my mom has gotten to the point where, like, with me working,

00:42:02.362 --> 00:42:06.002
she'll call me every day, you know, me massaging and going to school.

00:42:06.182 --> 00:42:09.622
And she'll call me and she's like, are you okay? Are you sure you're okay?

00:42:09.622 --> 00:42:11.462
I'm like, yeah, I'm okay.

00:42:11.802 --> 00:42:15.382
And so she'll be like, make sure you get your rest.

00:42:16.842 --> 00:42:20.202
But, you know, you say you're okay, but once you hang up that phone,

00:42:20.282 --> 00:42:21.442
you're like, oh, she loves me.

00:42:22.002 --> 00:42:26.862
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You get that, oh, she loves me. It get on your nerves.

00:42:27.162 --> 00:42:29.202
But then you're like, oh, my mother loves me.

00:42:30.075 --> 00:42:37.295
So I get it. I understand. It is it being I think for me for years,

00:42:37.555 --> 00:42:42.875
being that strong of a person, it just kind of bothered me sometimes. Yep.

00:42:43.175 --> 00:42:50.095
It bothered me sometimes because it seemed like everything at one point in time,

00:42:50.095 --> 00:42:54.395
I felt like I had to rescue everybody. I had to take care of everybody.

00:42:54.555 --> 00:43:00.395
I had to if there was a problem with with granny or mom, auntie or my brothers or somebody.

00:43:00.795 --> 00:43:08.895
I was I was the go to God. Now, I have older cousins. I have uncles. I have all these people.

00:43:09.635 --> 00:43:15.895
But it would always be me. They would always call me. Your grandma need to move.

00:43:16.615 --> 00:43:20.695
Grandma said, come over and move a chair. Or grandma said this.

00:43:20.815 --> 00:43:24.515
And I'm like, there's that ninja. And there's that ninja.

00:43:24.675 --> 00:43:28.255
And there's that ninja. And there's that ninja. And there's that ninja.

00:43:28.455 --> 00:43:33.235
And there's her son that she birthed into this world. And there's her other

00:43:33.235 --> 00:43:35.055
son over there. And her other son.

00:43:35.395 --> 00:43:38.695
Well, we know you reliable. we

00:43:38.695 --> 00:43:42.275
know you gonna be the one that's gonna come through yeah that's

00:43:42.275 --> 00:43:45.095
exactly it but you know i have also learned

00:43:45.095 --> 00:43:48.275
in that situation that sometimes you have to take care of you so

00:43:48.275 --> 00:43:51.995
if that means saying no to somebody that's that's

00:43:51.995 --> 00:43:58.755
okay don't feel bad about it saying no no as my therapist tells me is a complete

00:43:58.755 --> 00:44:05.795
sentence yes it is and it took me a while you know it i hit i hit the fours

00:44:05.795 --> 00:44:09.875
And something changed in my life. And it was God.

00:44:10.095 --> 00:44:11.935
God, God changed.

00:44:12.235 --> 00:44:17.355
He changed the chemical in my brain. And I started saying no.

00:44:17.635 --> 00:44:24.455
And at the point of saying no to my family, the family structure and dynamics changed.

00:44:24.695 --> 00:44:29.675
I turned into a bougie bastard that couldn't do anything for anybody anymore

00:44:29.675 --> 00:44:34.535
because I didn't want to show up for people the way they couldn't show up for me anymore.

00:44:34.535 --> 00:44:41.695
Yeah, I mean, and that happens and you have to be okay with that being the narrative.

00:44:42.035 --> 00:44:48.715
I mean, people, they'll say, so I have nieces that I love, but there's one that's

00:44:48.715 --> 00:44:52.395
always, she always calls and makes sure that I'm okay.

00:44:52.395 --> 00:45:00.555
The other two Not so much So mom was like Well you do for this one I'm like

00:45:00.555 --> 00:45:05.815
I do for that one because she checks on me To make sure I'm okay So I'm okay

00:45:05.815 --> 00:45:11.015
with the other two Not calling me You know people have to know That.

00:45:12.080 --> 00:45:17.160
Boundaries are a good thing. Setting boundaries have has definitely changed

00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:21.300
my life because I used to be the one who would go do everything.

00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:25.280
And on my under my breath, I'm huffing and puffing and and mad.

00:45:25.420 --> 00:45:28.520
But who am I mad at? Nobody but myself.

00:45:29.620 --> 00:45:35.220
My therapist told me she's like, you, you, you have to you have to realize that

00:45:35.220 --> 00:45:37.680
you're not called to save everybody. Right.

00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.220
And that's why I said when I hit these fours and God came and spoke to me and

00:45:42.220 --> 00:45:46.000
he gave me what he gave me, I put it in.

00:45:46.100 --> 00:45:51.540
I put it in this scenario. I had to take the cape off because I was.

00:45:51.700 --> 00:45:55.300
And here's what I here's what God said to me.

00:45:55.560 --> 00:46:01.020
He's he and I couldn't see it, but he was like, you're running around here trying

00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:04.480
to save everybody else. But when are you going to save you?

00:46:05.660 --> 00:46:09.040
And I couldn't understand that at first but then

00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:12.060
after those quiet you know in those quiet moments

00:46:12.060 --> 00:46:17.280
when God talks to you and you have those conversations with your you know I

00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.520
say God because that's my higher power but when you have those quiet moments

00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:27.180
and he speaks to you and he says these things and and at one point I was like

00:46:27.180 --> 00:46:31.540
save myself no I'm I got to save grandma on.

00:46:31.640 --> 00:46:35.020
I got to save Cousin Rick. I got to save Auntie.

00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:39.740
I got to save Mama. I got to save this person. I got to save that person.

00:46:39.740 --> 00:46:42.960
He was like, no, no, you don't. No, you don't.

00:46:43.700 --> 00:46:49.540
Who's saving you? That goes back to a I went to a veterans retreat and,

00:46:50.700 --> 00:46:55.140
It was weird because she was like, the lady was like, get spoons out of the bag.

00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:01.840
And so, you know, I'm like, it's a game. Is it the person with the least amount of spoons left?

00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:04.140
And so, you know, I got my spoons.

00:47:04.340 --> 00:47:07.800
So then she started going through all of these situations.

00:47:08.560 --> 00:47:12.000
And she's like, put a spoon down if you do this. Put a spoon down if you do

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.560
this. Put a spoon down if you do this.

00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:22.780
So at the end, I had no spoons left. And so she revealed that the spoons that you had left was for you,

00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:32.060
So now I know that people can't take my spoons They have to take what I leave

00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:36.240
in the bowl They can't take out of the bowl before I take out of the bowl Right

00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:42.080
And there's nothing wrong with that I totally get it and I understand And like I said,

00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:50.300
I just started learning that lesson that I didn't value myself as much as I should have.

00:47:50.700 --> 00:47:53.620
I did not value myself as much as I should have.

00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:59.340
And now at my age and where I'm currently at in life when it comes to employment,

00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:05.280
my relationship status, everything, I value me more than anything else.

00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:10.220
I love my wife to death, but sometimes I need some space from her. I love my children.

00:48:10.520 --> 00:48:13.260
Sometimes I need some space from them. you know

00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:16.060
I'm you you've been a grandma I tell

00:48:16.060 --> 00:48:18.960
my kids to go home in a hot minute I was telling them

00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.860
go home in a hot minute my daughter my daughter

00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:24.660
is the oldest and she comes over a lot more

00:48:24.660 --> 00:48:29.600
I have one that still lives at home why is it always the oldest why why why

00:48:29.600 --> 00:48:34.680
I got a son that lives here I was like girl go home yeah I try the oldest one

00:48:34.680 --> 00:48:39.580
come over here and live on her off days I'd be like what you got a whole apartment

00:48:39.580 --> 00:48:42.860
where you paying all these bills and all this Why don't you go home?

00:48:43.795 --> 00:48:47.855
Why do they do that? Do what I do. Look, I will take off.

00:48:48.035 --> 00:48:53.115
Like if I'm out, I'll, I just stop in a house and I go come in and I sit down

00:48:53.115 --> 00:48:54.735
on the couch and I go through the refrigerator.

00:48:54.875 --> 00:48:57.735
She'd be like, mama. I'd be like, mama, what?

00:48:58.555 --> 00:49:01.355
Man. Like you do it at my house. You know what?

00:49:01.995 --> 00:49:07.295
Right, right, right. She'd say home then. I got, I've got one that still lives

00:49:07.295 --> 00:49:09.295
here, but my oldest daughter, she comes.

00:49:09.435 --> 00:49:12.615
My second daughter, she's about to make me, make us a grandpa.

00:49:12.615 --> 00:49:15.855
So we'll be having our first grandchild in July.

00:49:16.415 --> 00:49:21.955
I can tell you, you will be, it's a wrap for you. Oh yeah. I'm already ready for my grandson.

00:49:22.275 --> 00:49:27.595
I'm already ready. I will put the rest of these suckers down for my grandson

00:49:27.595 --> 00:49:30.035
because I feel like you said, I mean,

00:49:30.235 --> 00:49:37.275
I do have, I have, I have worked a lot in my life and my kids know that daddy's

00:49:37.275 --> 00:49:42.595
always, That's why I chose the job that I work now, because I spent 18 years

00:49:42.595 --> 00:49:44.875
in kitchens all across Nashville, Tennessee.

00:49:45.095 --> 00:49:50.675
I spent eight years of Christmases, New Year's, holidays, birthdays, anniversaries.

00:49:50.975 --> 00:49:54.395
I was daddy's at work. Where's your dad? Oh, my daddy at work.

00:49:55.535 --> 00:49:58.255
Who's going to come? I had to leave work. If something happened to school,

00:49:58.335 --> 00:50:00.635
got to leave work, go pick up the kids, bring them back to work.

00:50:00.635 --> 00:50:06.095
There was a time where I had a toddler and an infant in the office while I'm

00:50:06.095 --> 00:50:10.335
working, trying to finish out my day because I had to go get the kids because

00:50:10.335 --> 00:50:11.515
somehow I'm at the daycare.

00:50:11.715 --> 00:50:17.855
So I brought the baby and the small child. Y'all said in the office here, color this picture.

00:50:18.095 --> 00:50:21.295
Make sure your sister don't holler. Put the bottle in the mouth.

00:50:21.495 --> 00:50:24.595
If she stinks, you come and get me. I'll come out the kitchen and come back

00:50:24.595 --> 00:50:26.635
and change her and go back.

00:50:26.795 --> 00:50:32.375
But that's always been me. So the job I have now, it's school.

00:50:32.935 --> 00:50:38.195
So when they're in school, I'm at work. When they're not in school, we out together.

00:50:39.175 --> 00:50:45.315
Exactly. So I tell people the main reason why I chose this job was because of the schedule.

00:50:45.655 --> 00:50:51.095
I mean, I love the schedule. Like I said, me and the wife, we went to the beach

00:50:51.095 --> 00:50:55.515
for spring break. Of course, the kids, we are a blended family.

00:50:55.695 --> 00:51:00.395
Okay. So my wife came with kids when I met her And I had kids when I met her

00:51:00.395 --> 00:51:02.895
But we have five children together.

00:51:04.113 --> 00:51:08.473
She has grown children. I have one grown child, and then I have some smaller children.

00:51:08.773 --> 00:51:18.413
I kind of slipped and bumped my head a few years back because the last children are 9 and 14,

00:51:18.413 --> 00:51:25.613
and then you go from 9 to 14 to 21 and then to 25 and then to 29.

00:51:26.513 --> 00:51:31.733
So, yeah, I kind of fell and bumped my head. But those are my babies.

00:51:31.733 --> 00:51:34.713
I love them. those girls to get on my nerves but

00:51:34.713 --> 00:51:37.613
yeah we all we all have those times

00:51:37.613 --> 00:51:40.593
where we lose we lose we lose our beans

00:51:40.593 --> 00:51:49.713
in the college yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so i love them but i i need daddy

00:51:49.713 --> 00:51:54.753
needs his space daddy needs his space everybody needs their space but these

00:51:54.753 --> 00:51:59.693
last few years i've learned that if I don't take care of me,

00:52:00.033 --> 00:52:03.733
nobody will take care of me the way I'm going to take care of me.

00:52:04.453 --> 00:52:08.933
Exactly. I love my mother. I love my brothers. I love my sister.

00:52:09.093 --> 00:52:16.053
I love my cousins. I love everybody, but I cannot save you from you.

00:52:17.077 --> 00:52:21.717
The stupidity, the ignorance, the whatever you have going on,

00:52:21.957 --> 00:52:27.817
I can't save you because I've learned in my lifetime that the same energy that

00:52:27.817 --> 00:52:30.857
I was giving everyone else, no one was giving me.

00:52:31.817 --> 00:52:36.637
I understand that totally. And then you shouldn't blame nobody but shame because

00:52:36.637 --> 00:52:40.937
lots of times I was the one that was letting them and be like,

00:52:41.097 --> 00:52:44.997
you know, and then I come home and be mad after that because I'm just like,

00:52:45.097 --> 00:52:46.777
you know, walk all over me.

00:52:46.777 --> 00:52:51.397
Are not paying attention or not here like calling me.

00:52:51.557 --> 00:52:55.357
I just got off of work and they're calling me.

00:52:56.077 --> 00:53:00.337
They want me. So I'm like, then I'll be like, well, okay.

00:53:00.637 --> 00:53:05.017
And I'm huffing and puffing. Can't see straight because I'm tired.

00:53:05.237 --> 00:53:08.057
But now it's, I tell you, no one, a hot minute.

00:53:08.737 --> 00:53:12.617
Hot? Hey, look, I can't do it. I got some other obligations.

00:53:13.637 --> 00:53:16.797
I'm not messing with you you know

00:53:16.797 --> 00:53:20.177
people they once you

00:53:20.177 --> 00:53:23.157
say no now you're the bad guy but at this point

00:53:23.157 --> 00:53:26.837
i don't give a damn frankly i

00:53:26.837 --> 00:53:29.897
don't give a damn but to where they understand

00:53:29.897 --> 00:53:33.237
that though yeah yeah they do

00:53:33.237 --> 00:53:40.517
but it it comes with it comes with anger it comes with the dirty looks it comes

00:53:40.517 --> 00:53:46.697
with all these things that are unnecessary because I won't feed into your ignorance

00:53:46.697 --> 00:53:52.477
because I put up boundaries because now I want to protect my personal space.

00:53:53.037 --> 00:53:57.077
And people don't understand, I have to protect my personal space.

00:53:57.297 --> 00:54:01.817
I've given and given and given and given and given and given to you,

00:54:02.057 --> 00:54:05.977
but you're not giving in the same manner that I've been giving.

00:54:06.117 --> 00:54:07.097
You've just been taking.

00:54:07.977 --> 00:54:13.237
You've just been taking. So we're almost at the end of this interview because

00:54:13.237 --> 00:54:15.597
we don't like to keep people for very long.

00:54:15.897 --> 00:54:21.557
So let's do a recap. So we were we were in the Navy.

00:54:22.157 --> 00:54:28.457
We started a women's travel group. Yeah. We have a massage business.

00:54:28.817 --> 00:54:34.877
Yeah. We're in school for business administration on the medical side.

00:54:35.397 --> 00:54:42.957
Correct. We have three beautiful children and three grandchildren.

00:54:43.997 --> 00:54:50.937
All right. So if that was something that you could tell to the younger you,

00:54:50.957 --> 00:54:54.437
what would you tell her? Love yourself.

00:54:55.077 --> 00:54:59.537
Okay. That's a good one. What's your message to the world? Okay.

00:55:00.135 --> 00:55:06.015
It's easier to be kind than it is to be unkind.

00:55:06.475 --> 00:55:11.575
I think we have a lot of people who are unkind just for kids.

00:55:11.975 --> 00:55:19.195
And to me, it is, there's, you know, the same energy that you spent being unkind

00:55:19.195 --> 00:55:25.055
could go a lot further if you were kind to folks and treat people the way you want to be treated.

00:55:26.455 --> 00:55:31.255
Hey, I totally agree. So I got a few questions and then we're going to end out the show.

00:55:31.475 --> 00:55:36.815
I always ask every guest a few questions, nothing too personal, nothing intimate.

00:55:37.675 --> 00:55:43.435
Just some fun questions just to break the monotony of all the seriousness that's

00:55:43.435 --> 00:55:45.075
been going on during this episode.

00:55:45.295 --> 00:55:49.755
And once again, I'd like to say thank you for being with us and giving us the

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opportunity to get to know you and get to hear your story.

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If we were to get into your vehicle right now, what would you be listening to?

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So my car playlist is very mixed.

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It has some Gladys Night in the Pit. It also has.

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I bet you heard that Halo by Chris Stapleton.

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Halo. It's just a mix of things.

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People get in my car and they're like, what are we listening to?

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Listen i drive a school bus and i play my music and the kids are like what who

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are these white people you're listening to and i'm like this is good music right

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i'll go from gospel to country,

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tim bowman as a gospel artist tim bowman without you that's what i'm saying

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i go i feel you we're on the same page it goes from a little bit of everything

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my guy is mervin mayo in this place I love that song.

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Tim Bowman, Without You.

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Yes, look up Tim Bowman, Without You. That's a good one.

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And, okay, so what is your guilty pleasure, like sweets, food?

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What is Nakia Campbell's guilty pleasure?

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I guess I would say steak. It's my food.

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A good steak any day. is it that makes me happy all right all right so if you

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could describe your perfect boo how would you describe them.

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Perfect boo yes your perfect boo

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okay so first

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of all he would be he would

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have a relationship with god and that

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he would be hold on so he would have perfect relationship with god he would

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be a leader somebody who could guide me on the path of developing a better relationship with my with God.

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He also has to love traveling and camping.

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But above all that, he has to be willing and able to have a relationship with my grown kids.

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Lots of times when people get to dating and they have grown kids,

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everybody has their opinion.

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So they would have to get to know each other. That would be that.

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And he'd have to love my friends as much as I.

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Love my four-legged baby. I have a four-legged baby. Yeah, we got one of them too.

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That is my wife's. Me and my wife don't have babies together except Nixie,

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the little four thing that gets on my nerves.

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Together we have four girls and one boy. And then we go get a dog and it's another girl.

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So I'm like, it's a lot of estrogen around this house it's a lot of estrogen

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and see I have nothing but men in my house my son and my oldest son my daughter

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stays at home but my dog my service he's a service dog our service dog is,

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a boy he is very well.

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Well,

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sounds like we are Kendrick spirits. And again, I'd like to say thank you.

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And I always extend, you're welcome. I always extend an interview to our Friday night show.

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We do a show on Fridays called Freestyle Fridays, where we have a open forum.

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We do a two hour live show. It's mainly men on the panel, but if you want to

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come in and talk, it's always fine.

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I tell women, come in and listen and just just

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listen to me and have true transparent and

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vulnerable conversations now it may not be on

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the on on a particular subject but we just go in and we talk about a lot of

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different things so a lot of women say i don't understand man or what they talk

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about what they think about come into the forum and listen to the conversation

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and see what men think about what's going on in the world,

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what they think about rearing children,

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what they think about history, what do they think about different topics?

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Because the conversations will go from one to a million, I promise you.

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And we talk about a little bit of everything, but that's on Friday nights at seven o'clock.

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We do a two-hour live show, and I extend that to every guest.

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And again, tell us what the name of your travel group is.

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It's called Tallahoma Girlfriends Club.

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Tallahoma Girlfriends Club. So we can find that on Facebook, right? Yep.

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Yep, it's on Facebook. And tell us the name of your YouTube channel.

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It's called Traveling with Kia. Traveling with Kia. And what is the name of

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your massage therapy business?

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It's called the Nurses Touch 2 Massage and Skin Care.

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I'm located at 401 Wilson Avenue, Tullahoma, Tennessee.

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I'm inside of the historic Coker Building.

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Now, why is all of that not in your bio? Because I didn't see your Facebook page in your bio.

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I tried to put it on there. I am like, I'm not saying the number,

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the number you got for this link to get into the show, text me all of that information

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and I'll put it into your bio.

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And once your show goes live, you, I'll make sure I send you back this show

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so you can share it with all your friends. You can share it with whoever you'd

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like and I'll, I'll insert all those things into your bio.

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Okay. thank you because i was trying to

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get it done and i was trying to get it done before the

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show i was like kept wouldn't let me go in because i was like it wouldn't let

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me put it in i thought i just had to put like traveling with kia i guess it's

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something else it didn't yeah just just shoot me all that info from the number

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i sent and that's my number okay i am the dude aka joe foster.

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My name is Joe Foster that's my government but shoot that number you got the

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link to come into here send me that now we also tell guests that six months

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or a year from now we're going to do reshows would you be okay with coming back? I surely would.

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I appreciate that thank you ma'am and you have a great evening and we thank

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you here to kick back you are loved and blessed Thank you. Bye, David.