Legendary Radio Journey with The X-Man

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Welcome to another episode of The Kickback. I am your host, The Dude,

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The kickback, a place for brothers.

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To kick back, a place for brothers.

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Yeah To kick back, a place for brothers,

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Yeah To kick back, a place for brothers Yeah To kick back, a place for brothers.

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A place for brothers A place for brothers Hey,

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gentlemen good evening hello world how's everybody doing i am your host the

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dude of the kickback welcome to another episode of the kickback and this is

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topic tuesday and you know on tuesdays we always,

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always have some wonderful guests.

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Tonight's guest is a legend in the music producing industry. He's a legend in my city.

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He is a legend when it comes to music, when it comes to programming.

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He is a legend. We have the X-Man in the building. Say hello to the audience, Mr. X.

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How's everybody doing? How are you? All righty. All righty.

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Thank you for coming on the show. We are a small venture that God has blessed

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and we are going nowhere but up from here.

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God has put his hand, his anointed hand on this show.

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I don't know how much David told you about us, but we are a platform where brothers

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can come and have true, transparent and vulnerable conversations about life,

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love, marriage and whatever they have going on in their lives today.

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Because God put it on my heart to have a place where a brother could come and

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have conversations and talk.

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Well, amen. I'm all about talking. All right. I'm going to reach your own voice.

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That's wonderful. How's your day been today, sir?

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My day has been excellent. God is good, and I'm blessed to be here.

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Right. As always, we're all blessed. So I tell all my guests at the beginning

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of the show that it's my show is like a mullet.

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We're going to get all the business

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done up front, and then we're going to have a party on the back end.

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So at the beginning what i

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like to do is i like to get my guests to explain who they are and what they

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give me your name who you are and what you've done in this world because we

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interview ordinary people that are doing extraordinary things in this world

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well how do where do i start,

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what would you like for me to begin in terms of you know just where wherever you deem that is

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possible for you to start let's see i

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know that you were the person that put

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a lot of us to sleep at night at 92q oh you're going back you're going back

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it's talking about the quiet storm listen i i am a nashville native been here

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my whole i can remember when 92q was the only urban station in nashville,

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This is true. I can remember that was back in the 80s.

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Nantique was the only urban radio station that we had. And then what was it?

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This came along or was it what college came along and had their little satellite radio?

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Well, this started in 1973. They were first, but they were called.

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I can't think of the name of it, but it was started by students on the campus

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because they wanted a platform. They could talk about issues that are pertinent

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to the community and people of color.

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And so the format for WSK went from gospel to jazz to gospel back to jazz.

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So now it is a contemporary jazz radio station.

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93Q was owned. It came about later on. It was owned by a man by the name of Sam Howard.

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And Sam Howard used to own as well as, I think he was in medicine.

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And he owned a couple of businesses as well.

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I started out as an intern at 92Q back in the 90s.

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And so I pretty much was part of a crowd. I'm leapfrogging over a lot of stuff

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because there's a lot to cover.

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But in terms of the industry part, I was part of a crew at 92Q under the leadership

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of that program, Director Terry Fox, where it was myself, Christy,

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Lana Neely, A.M.G., and a few others, Siona.

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We took 92Q to number one, Rick Walker.

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That's the first and only time that an urban FM station had ever been number

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one in the city of Nashville. And so I was part of that crew.

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And then Sharon Kay joined 92Q a couple of years later.

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She did the news for Ernie Allen and on the Time During the Morning Show,

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which I was the affiliate producer, one of.

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She also had a talk show called What's the 411 with Sharon K that eventually aired on 92Q.

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I'm moving on a lot of stuff for the essence of time, but she was authored the

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job as general manager at WFSA by that time, at that time, President Hazel O'Leary.

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And so upon getting that position as general manager, she asked me when I would

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come along with her to be the program director for WFSA. And so I agreed to

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do that and left 92Q and joined her at WFSA.

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And I've been there about 18, going on 18 years now. Yep.

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All righty. So we kind of went past it, but I love it. I love all the information.

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Let's just kind of rewind for a minute and give us your government name,

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where you from, where you grew up at, how many children you have,

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things of that nature. or your personal life that as much as you would like to share.

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So let's start from the name, and then let's go from where you grew up and college and all those things.

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Sure. X from Lawson. My radio name is The X-Man.

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That's associated mainly with sports. I played football on basketball and ran track.

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I'm originally from Brooklyn, New York, the bedside section.

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And so in my neighborhood, I was Biggie Smalls, Jay-Z, Willie Kim,

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Emmanuel, and Louis. We all came from the same neighborhood.

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We moved from working in new york when i was a freshman in high school we moved

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to athens georgia and when i graduated from high school in athens georgia to

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see the shows i joined the military.

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In 1989 and so eventually i was stationed at fort campbell kentucky i left there

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and you know then you get to later on where i end up going to school at geronis

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gd college for an associate during your broadcast so that's how i got into that

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into the industry i'm married i've been many 17 years.

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My wife and I have a blended family and together we've raised,

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within our blended family, four kids.

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Wonderful, wonderful. Hey, me and my wife are a blended family also, man.

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We've got five children. Between the two of us, we've got five children. That's excellent.

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Brooklyn, New York. My co-host, Dave, he's also from New York.

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So wonderful, wonderful brother.

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How hard is it now this is just a

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question that just popped up in my head i've noticed

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that a lot of people in radio are from other places why are there not so many

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locals in radio in african-american locals in radio in nashville well most of

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your radio stations are not owned by black people.

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Most of them in these cities are owned and operated by companies, corporations.

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For instance, when I mentioned Sam Howard, who used to own 92Q,

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my first day as an intern there, as I started out as an intern while I was in

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school, he had just sold Q2K to the Dickey Brothers.

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They were the Dickey Brothers at that time, which is now Cumulus Media.

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And so Cumulus bought up as many urban stations as they could around the country

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and then they got rid of all the morning show crews around the country and replaced

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them all with Tom Joyner.

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And so on Tom Joyner, now, if you remember, you said earlier,

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you're on a choir song and things of that nature.

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Tom Joyner was one of the first nationally syndicated black radio personalities

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that opened the door for national syndication. Like we hear Steve Harvey.

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Well, if there was no Tom Joyner, there wouldn't be a Steve Harvey and Doug

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Banks and Ricky Smiley, there's some of the other guys. So to make a long story short.

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In order to survive in this industry, you have to you have to be willing to move.

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And that is because you're only as good as your last show, as they say,

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because radio is a ratings driven business.

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And most people are under contract when you're doing mornings.

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Middays, afternoon and sometimes evenings.

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And so if you don't pull the ratings, you might be talented.

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But it sounds like football.

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You know, if you don't produce, then they let go of you.

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And then once they let go of you, you still have talent, but you have to take

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a talent somewhere else.

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Now, in Atlanta, it's a little different. If you've ever been to Atlanta before,

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they sort of recycle their radio personalities across the city.

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So you can do a whole career in radio in the city of Atlanta and never leave the city.

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And that's just because there are more millions of black people there because

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radio is basically a pie.

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And it is never about the music. So I'm explaining this to the listeners.

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The radio is never about

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the music even though we listen to it for the music it's never

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about the music it's about the age demographic and what

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what music the age demographic listens to for advertisers

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so that's why when you listen to your hip-hop and r&b stations your

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your your advertisers are going to be more of your tours parties and

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clubs and things of that nature and as you move up in

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age then so so does the type

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of advertising that you may hear and you know i was in radio sells for a while

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too so that's how i understand a whole lot right and i that you're explaining

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it it sounds it sounds a whole lot better and but it doesn't but i get it it's all about business.

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100 100 yep and and that i i get i understand and we are new to this space this is six months.

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We're going on, what's today's date? Today is the 14th.

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So on the 17th, we'll be doing this for seven months and we've done. Congratulations.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We've done probably about 10 interviews there.

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They've been great interviews.

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Like I said, we just, we interview ordinary men that are doing extraordinary things in life.

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And it is always honor and

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a pleasure to have someone of your caliber because to

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me you're a superstar because like I said I'm a Nashville native

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so I can remember hearing your voice on the radio when

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I was younger and knowing that I knew

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it was coming I knew what was about to come I knew what was coming exactly man

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do you not know how and you see it on social media now but people of my age

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talk about how that particular track had us in a chokehold.

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It had us in a chokehold. And for us that didn't have the money to go out and

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acquire records and things of that nature, you know, we did, we recorded it.

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We went and spent our allowances and whatever, and we got blank tapes and we recorded that.

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And that song was like, it was like the flute player with the Cobra Snake.

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It was like, you knew at 10 o'clock that song was coming on and you had to be

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somewhere by a speaker to hear that song come on.

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So it's the art of noise. That's the art of noise by moments of love.

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That's that particular that particular dude that you was doing right there.

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And that particular film was about 10 minutes long, if I'm not mistaken.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've actually researched it now. I have my big age. I am now.

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Man, it still has me in a chokehold. I mean, the art of noise is is will forever

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be a classic record. It will forever be in my heart.

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And I'm in my mid 40s and it will forever be something that I will remember

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probably to my dying day.

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So you were you said you were in sales. You were a DJ.

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You were a producer.

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You you also managed a little bit. Right.

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Well, I'm program director now. So radio personality. So I mean,

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so so DJs would be just a tap. maybe.

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Okay. And then Brian D and people who worked at clubs and spent on the ones and twos.

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So radio personalities are persons who are on the air and have to have to be,

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personable to the listeners and things of that nature and you

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know they said i'm calling me the super producer within the

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industry because uh not only do i produce my

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own style which is nationally syndicated gospel style called real

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gospel now but i also have helped produce probably 20 between 20 and 30 other

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sort of programs and when i say produce i mean i don't mean from from some of

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them have vince from from scratch

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but i've helped sort of produce uh like like fern plays Russell 411.

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I've been with her since the inception. We had money shows on WFSA.

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We had health shows on WFSA.

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We had Tavis Smiley on WFSA. I was officially introduced with a time joiner.

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I dealt with Doug Banks. Just a variety of different programming that I have

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to put my personal touch on to make them sound a lot better.

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Man, that's my lifetime. You just literally just

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went down a timeline of my lifetime because I

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can remember when all of those different personalities were

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on the air and it's been through my lifetime

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of hearing and then when one says well

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this is my tenure and i've got to go and we're we're

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leaving and then you move into somebody else

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and then they leave and then you move into someone

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else and then they leave and it's like wow i

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wonder i really wonder what that world is like on

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the other side yeah but let me also add that i

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was also able to do something that like

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you touched on earlier about people staying within the city normally depending

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on your your your talent the the

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company does not allow you to leave their company and go across the streets

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of the other company most people have what's called a non-compete which means

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if you if you quit or you get fired you cannot work in that city or within a

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50-mile to 100-mile radius for at least two years or something like that.

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When I left 92Q and when I left 92Q, they failed to give us a non-compete.

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Now, there were other people within the company that they were handing out non-competes.

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Because you remember some of this.

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When the beat came on the air, which is 101.1 of the beat. Yes, sir.

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A lot of people were set up to jump ship to go work for that company.

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Well, Cumulus woke up and said, well, we got to protect ourselves because we

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don't keep just walking out the door.

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So they started handing out non-competes to the talents that they thought were

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the ones that they should keep hold to.

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Well, Sharon Kaye and I did not beat one.

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So we sort of took that kind of personal, you know what I'm saying?

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But God has other plans for us because when she got the job as general manager

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at WSSA and then she went on to ask me to come join her there,

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I did not have a non-compete.

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And so when I left to Coupé and went over to WSSA, we helped turn that radio

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station around and we sort of been a thorn in their side ever since.

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Man that is that hey like you

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said at the beginning it's business it's never personal it's

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all about business they didn't they did not handle

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their end of the deal by giving you the paperwork that that you needed or they

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needed to keep you all from putting your foot on their neck yeah so god exactly

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that's god and i had to not compete i wouldn't be where i am today and there would be no real gospel.

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Right, exactly. That's God. So I also see that you went to seminary school. I did.

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I graduated from some of the American Baptist College with doctor's degree in pastoral studies.

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All righty, all righty. That's wonderful. So do you have a church that you're

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the pastor at or pastoring at?

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I'm an assistant pastor at the Cathedral of Praise Church of God in Christ, where my pastor is Dr.

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Jerry Maynard II, and my bishop is Bishop Jerry L. Maynard Sr.

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Okay. Pastor Mr. Maynard, pastor of operations.

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Cathedral praise. Wait a minute. Yeah, Cathedral praise.

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But I'm thinking, I met a gentleman who goes to Cathedral of Praise.

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I think his name is Darius?

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Darius Willis. Darius Willis. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Darius Willis. He's one of our associates, and he's a social adjutant to the bishop. Yes, yes.

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Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful gentleman. Yes, we've had a good conversation. He's an actor as well.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'll shout out to him.

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Shout out to him. He's a tremendous actor. Yeah.

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I think that God is going to continue to open doors for him.

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So he's been in some videos and a couple of movies.

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But I do believe that at some point, God is going to just open those doors to

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him for him to continue to flourish on the movie scene.

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Yes. And he has a wonderful testimony.

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And he's probably he's probably going to be on this show in the next few months.

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He's he's going to be an interview on this show in the next couple of months

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because he has a wonderful testimony. And like I said, I've sat down and I've

00:19:12.419 --> 00:19:17.079
had a few conversations with him and he has a wonderful testimony.

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That's why I said we do interviews with ordinary brothers that do extraordinary things.

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Like one of my first interviews I did was with Jonathan Williamson,

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who is the newfound president of the NAACP.

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And that brother is is he's doing some leaps and bounds with the NACP and changing

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the narrative of the way it's been handled for the last few years by the people

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that have been gatekeeping the whole process.

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And he's opening up the doors for our younger community to come in and put their

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input into social justice.

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That's great. I'll further two terms as many patients chair of the national

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branch of the NAACP under then President Marilyn Robertson, who passed away not too long ago.

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OK, man, it just sounds like you are all around amazing gentlemen.

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And I and I'm honored to even have you on my show.

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This was something that God brought to me, my brother. he brought to me and

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he said that we men needed a place where they could have real honest conversations

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about things that are going on in their lives and and a place that they can

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be vulnerable because in today's society,

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the world deems a man is this is what I tell people all the time.

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The world deems men at their wallets.

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Most men nowadays are looked at and cared for by what they can produce.

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And if they don't produce, then their value is less or they're not valued at

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all because they can't produce.

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And so that that has a lot of emotional attachment to it.

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And men don't have an outlet when it comes when you go home and these are the

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things that you deal with and you're out in this world and these are the things that you deal with.

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You're evaluated by what your wallet looks like or your bank account looks like

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when the value of you is way more than what you're producing.

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But society has made it to where that's all people look at.

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Can he take me out to a fancy restaurant? What kind of car is he driving?

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What's his positioning?

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What's his title? What does he what is he wearing?

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You know, none of that stuff should really matter. But that's the way this world has been going.

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And so I God says, hey, build a place where men can come and have real transparent

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conversations and not be judged.

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Because, you know, we have all of these different things going on where you

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got the videos and the this and the that. Well, God told me this.

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He says, start out with audio because here's the thing.

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A brother walks into a room and has a conversation with 100 men.

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He's got 200 eyes looking at him.

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But if you can make him comfortable at home behind the microphone or behind

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a device where he can talk in the comfort of his own confinement space,

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car, whatever it is, he will talk and say a lot more than he would if he had

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200 eyes on him. That's true.

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That was true. So that's the reason why, therefore, we're here with an audio platform.

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Now, here we go. We have a radio veteran on the line with us tonight.

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So at this point right now in the

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interview how am i doing you're doing excellent and god is touching and.

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Your platform and you and all that you do fast out to David as well for,

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you know, just YouTube for just thinking enough of me to have me on.

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I like some artists another time ago, no one has to think about you at any time.

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So I do thank you once again. I thank you all for having me,

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man. Listen, you, you are a legend. You are a legend to me.

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Like I said, you are a hero and a legend to me because there were times that,

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you know, Hey, we're all men.

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We go through things, you know, you go through a breakup or you,

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you know, back in the day when you sat on the phone, all night with that girl.

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No, you go to sleep. No, you go to sleep. No, you go to sleep.

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I'll listen to this song. Listen to this song that's on the radio.

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You know, so you carried me through a lot of things when I was younger.

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And it was just, it's amazing to be able to have someone of your stature here.

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You know, I used to tell people all the time to my mother, I'm the real black Superman.

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And what I used to say about that is I was a superstar in her eyes.

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I was a hero because I was the first born boy that she had.

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And, you know, the world looks at us as we're nothing but your mom and people like that.

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Even after the spotlight goes off, your mother's always there.

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So anytime someone gives you a bit of a gratification, like you said.

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Stars, they shine for so long.

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And I mean, what I mean by that is in the entertainment business,

00:24:10.228 --> 00:24:13.748
they shine for so long and then their light goes out. So, yes,

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I can see where you're saying somebody's still thinking about you and you're

00:24:17.868 --> 00:24:21.568
still relevant because you are in my age group.

00:24:21.688 --> 00:24:29.448
You're still relevant because there were so you just said that you were behind

00:24:29.448 --> 00:24:32.968
some of these shows throughout my lifetime.

00:24:33.588 --> 00:24:39.908
So that is amazing. So the radio station, it's a.m., right? Not FM.

00:24:41.748 --> 00:24:46.748
So what's your moniker for the station that you're working at now?

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The focus was UDU-21 FM WFSC, Smooth and Contemporary Jazz. Smooth and Contemporary Jazz. Okay, okay.

00:24:55.488 --> 00:24:58.168
And you were saying that it's all about ratings.

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Ratings and what's the rating scale like?

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Well, we're non-commercial.

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Now, at this point, I spend most of my time in non-commercial radio,

00:25:13.521 --> 00:25:17.341
which means we don't sell commercials, we fundraise, and we do what's called underwriting.

00:25:17.561 --> 00:25:22.181
But I started my career in commercial radio, which is where they sell commercials

00:25:22.181 --> 00:25:25.861
and things of that nature. So my first radio job was actually at,

00:25:26.001 --> 00:25:29.261
it was an all-white station called The Party, 102.5 The Party.

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Now they have flipped the format to sports. So now it's 102.5 The Game, I believe.

00:25:35.221 --> 00:25:39.081
But at that particular time, it was The Party. So they played music like Celine

00:25:39.081 --> 00:25:45.441
Dion, The Backstreet Boys, Third Eye Blind, Cootie and the Blow Series, NSYNC, Britney Spears.

00:25:45.641 --> 00:25:49.941
So that's why I started out. And I started out there because as an intern at

00:25:49.941 --> 00:25:56.861
92Q, while I was still in school, I went on a live remote broadcast with a guy

00:25:56.861 --> 00:25:58.981
at that particular time. His name was Bruce Lowe.

00:25:59.301 --> 00:26:03.081
Bruce Lowe at that particular time was doing the quiet storm on 92Q.

00:26:03.241 --> 00:26:04.761
And we were sitting in the van.

00:26:04.981 --> 00:26:08.501
And so he turned to me. He said, X him. He said, what are you going to school

00:26:08.501 --> 00:26:10.961
for? I said, radio broadcasting. He said, let me tell you something.

00:26:11.361 --> 00:26:14.401
He said, don't think just because you're black. You have to work in a black

00:26:14.401 --> 00:26:17.381
radio station. You do whatever they pay you.

00:26:17.721 --> 00:26:20.841
And when he said that to me, and shout out to Bruce Law, I mean,

00:26:20.901 --> 00:26:24.381
he would never know how much he changed my life when he said that to me because

00:26:24.381 --> 00:26:29.081
it felt like the weight of what I was going through in terms of trying to get

00:26:29.081 --> 00:26:31.041
a job was lifted off of me.

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And then the entire radio dial opened up for me and I began to understand that

00:26:36.101 --> 00:26:39.461
I could work anywhere I wanted to because God gave me this gift.

00:26:39.621 --> 00:26:43.001
And it goes back to what you said earlier about that particular time,

00:26:43.121 --> 00:26:49.761
92Q being one of the only urban FM stations in the city, because if you're not doing morning drive.

00:26:50.341 --> 00:26:54.401
Middays, afternoon, or working on the weekend, you have to wait for somebody

00:26:54.401 --> 00:26:57.581
to either quit or get fired before you get your opportunity to have a shot.

00:26:57.881 --> 00:27:00.821
So for me to be an intern, I'm like, well, what am I going to do?

00:27:01.061 --> 00:27:03.841
Do I need to move? I'm going to have to leave Nashville to find me a job?

00:27:03.981 --> 00:27:06.781
Because children are hiring all over the country, and that goes back to what

00:27:06.781 --> 00:27:09.981
you were saying earlier, but people are having to leave where they are to go get a job.

00:27:10.441 --> 00:27:15.001
But when he said that to me, I realized that, you know what, I can work anywhere.

00:27:15.681 --> 00:27:19.681
And so I ended up, long story short, taking my air check to the program director

00:27:19.681 --> 00:27:21.621
of the party at that time, Mikey Mike.

00:27:21.781 --> 00:27:25.681
And I took it to him, introduced myself. I met him earlier on a sealed trip.

00:27:25.681 --> 00:27:28.941
And he called me two days later and said, I listened to your air check.

00:27:29.081 --> 00:27:30.501
I gave it to my general manager.

00:27:31.161 --> 00:27:34.801
How would you like to start working for the party? And the rest of history.

00:27:35.691 --> 00:27:40.531
So explain to the people what an air check is, because I don't even know what

00:27:40.531 --> 00:27:45.051
that is. Okay, so an entrance is, well, it makes it happen today.

00:27:45.511 --> 00:27:52.051
That means I had to record myself doing a radio show and give that to the program

00:27:52.051 --> 00:27:56.931
director so that he can hear how I sound on the air to determine and ascertain

00:27:56.931 --> 00:28:01.251
whether or not I fit that format or to sort of measure my radio skills.

00:28:01.811 --> 00:28:03.431
Does my sound sit at this station?

00:28:04.071 --> 00:28:09.591
Is my delivery when I'm speaking? Am I able to articulate, you know, that we call a backfill?

00:28:09.771 --> 00:28:13.991
Like, by the instance, I would say, continue to set music on a 2.5 of the party,

00:28:14.051 --> 00:28:18.351
which is the X-Man you just heard, Celine Dion, and that was the song you don't

00:28:18.351 --> 00:28:19.171
want to miss another day.

00:28:19.471 --> 00:28:23.691
Listen, coming up next, I've got a song for you that you just simply don't want to miss.

00:28:23.851 --> 00:28:30.011
And if you stay right there, the correct caller, I've got $100,000 in giveaways just for you.

00:28:30.111 --> 00:28:33.911
So stay right there. So that's what is on an air checker. So when the general

00:28:33.911 --> 00:28:37.491
manager or the program director listens to it, they can they can determine whether

00:28:37.491 --> 00:28:38.571
or not you sit there format.

00:28:38.871 --> 00:28:42.551
And so myself being black and here how deep my voice can be,

00:28:42.771 --> 00:28:45.971
I took a chance at a station that was really a pop station.

00:28:46.731 --> 00:28:53.291
So for the fact that they hired me and and I remember this as if it was yesterday.

00:28:53.551 --> 00:28:57.091
I started out overnight and I want to say this was about two o'clock in the

00:28:57.091 --> 00:28:59.951
morning. and I got this phone call and it was this little kid,

00:29:00.491 --> 00:29:01.591
this little short and white boy.

00:29:01.831 --> 00:29:05.291
And he says, is this the X-Men? I said, yes, it is.

00:29:05.531 --> 00:29:07.931
She said, can I ask you a question? I said, sure.

00:29:08.271 --> 00:29:13.911
She said, are you black? I said, yes, I am. She said, oh. And then he hung up the phone.

00:29:14.331 --> 00:29:18.631
And I said, wow. So it was no, so they understood that I was black.

00:29:18.931 --> 00:29:23.971
But I also took that opportunity to learn a whole new genre of music because

00:29:23.971 --> 00:29:28.031
I didn't know anything about Celine Dion or the Backstreet Boys or third-of-line,

00:29:28.211 --> 00:29:31.091
and, you know, I didn't really think about them, but I had to learn it.

00:29:31.231 --> 00:29:34.291
And when I left from there, I also saw what was called radio airtime.

00:29:34.451 --> 00:29:38.331
So by day, I saw radio airtime, and at night, I was on the chair.

00:29:38.511 --> 00:29:42.111
I worked there for over a year and left it and went back to 96Q,

00:29:42.351 --> 00:29:47.131
but this time as a student producer for the Time Drew Morning Show and working overnights.

00:29:47.391 --> 00:29:50.071
And so that's how I ended up back at 96Q.

00:29:51.854 --> 00:29:58.974
You know, and I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing at the little kid. Are you black?

00:29:59.714 --> 00:30:04.314
Yeah. Yes. Cool. And then they have the phone.

00:30:04.634 --> 00:30:07.814
But, you know, I was the only black person in the building.

00:30:08.354 --> 00:30:11.514
Right. But to them, it was cool. It was something different.

00:30:11.674 --> 00:30:15.254
It was something new. But what I learned along the way in business was this,

00:30:15.414 --> 00:30:20.474
because before, right now, I drive a school bus for MNPS. Yes.

00:30:21.094 --> 00:30:26.514
But before that, thank you, sir. Thank you. These kids are something else.

00:30:27.254 --> 00:30:34.394
But before that, I cooked for 18 years and different places around Nashville.

00:30:34.954 --> 00:30:39.794
And then I started my own little food business. But I learned this in business.

00:30:39.974 --> 00:30:41.114
And it's sort of like what you said.

00:30:41.354 --> 00:30:46.914
The best advice someone gave me is your best customer is going to be someone

00:30:46.914 --> 00:30:50.014
of a different race and different color that you don't know.

00:30:51.634 --> 00:30:54.334
That's that's going to be your best customer and it

00:30:54.334 --> 00:30:57.394
blew my mind when they said that because i'm i like

00:30:57.394 --> 00:31:00.454
i said i'm a nashville native i've been here my whole entire life so

00:31:00.454 --> 00:31:03.454
i grew up in east nashville graduated from maplewood

00:31:03.454 --> 00:31:08.614
high school so i was like okay i'm going to go back to my old neighborhood and

00:31:08.614 --> 00:31:11.314
i'm going to try this and i'm gonna try that i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do

00:31:11.314 --> 00:31:18.714
that but when i went to a whole nother city and a whole nother county and started

00:31:18.714 --> 00:31:22.034
and did the same thing that I was doing here in Nashville.

00:31:22.694 --> 00:31:29.114
They accepted me with open arms and the the business was a whole lot better.

00:31:29.454 --> 00:31:30.814
It was a whole lot better.

00:31:31.514 --> 00:31:34.994
So I get what you're saying. Go where the money is.

00:31:35.214 --> 00:31:39.734
Go where the money is, because you can always come back.

00:31:39.894 --> 00:31:44.634
But once you go, if you don't go where the money is, then you'll regret it in the long run.

00:31:44.634 --> 00:31:51.134
And you'll just be You'll have some regret And you just won't know what to do

00:31:51.134 --> 00:31:53.294
Let's see what we got here We got,

00:31:54.234 --> 00:31:59.214
I'm looking at what I'm looking at is I'm looking in the chat It says what was

00:31:59.214 --> 00:32:05.154
Radio like in Brooklyn When he was Growing up Yeah.

00:32:07.504 --> 00:32:13.324
Jim, we imitate the Spanish radio host. I can't imitate the Spanish radio host,

00:32:13.404 --> 00:32:17.164
but if you want to know what radio is like in Brooklyn, let me see if I can rap for you.

00:32:17.684 --> 00:32:22.604
Two years ago, a friend of mine asked me to say some MC rhymes.

00:32:22.764 --> 00:32:24.424
So I said this rhyme I'm about to say.

00:32:24.724 --> 00:32:27.564
The rhyme was definitely going to whip this way. Took a chance to become an

00:32:27.564 --> 00:32:29.544
MC. Who was that? Doesn't run the MC.

00:32:30.044 --> 00:32:33.164
So when I came along, rap was not on the radio.

00:32:33.164 --> 00:32:37.784
Rap was sort of underground and thank you thank you,

00:32:38.544 --> 00:32:47.004
I think there's a documentary at Peacock and on Peacock there's a Run DMC documentary

00:32:47.004 --> 00:32:50.404
and it sort of goes back and explains a lot of that but I came up in an era

00:32:50.404 --> 00:32:53.544
where I think like I said Run DMC.

00:32:54.384 --> 00:32:57.424
Came out then who else came out after the Fat Boys

00:32:57.424 --> 00:33:00.484
then later on after that Houdini was

00:33:00.484 --> 00:33:03.524
huge and so it's nothing like it is today

00:33:03.524 --> 00:33:06.424
where you know you'd have a whole radio station as a

00:33:06.424 --> 00:33:09.884
matter of fact rap only came on at night at like

00:33:09.884 --> 00:33:12.624
at like at nine o'clock or something like that on on my

00:33:12.624 --> 00:33:16.244
name for something kiss fm and so everybody used to listen to it at that time

00:33:16.244 --> 00:33:21.344
and you had i think marley maul dj red alert those guys with djs and they're

00:33:21.344 --> 00:33:26.544
on the air they're literally in the radio station mix do a lot of mixes at the

00:33:26.544 --> 00:33:30.084
radio station and ironic you said this earlier about recording stuff,

00:33:30.224 --> 00:33:33.764
and my fans and I used to take that tape recorder,

00:33:33.944 --> 00:33:39.164
you had to push the two buttons down in order to record, and you would record the whole show on.

00:33:40.524 --> 00:33:41.244
Cassette tape.

00:33:41.912 --> 00:33:46.472
So, yeah, that's what radio was like. Okay, okay. So it was basic.

00:33:46.472 --> 00:33:48.012
It was the same way for everybody.

00:33:48.172 --> 00:33:52.492
It's just you got on the other side of radio.

00:33:52.712 --> 00:33:59.052
Now, how did you get this love for radio and want to be on the other side of the microphone?

00:34:00.632 --> 00:34:08.032
That's God. God did that because I grew up. I did not grow up listening to one genre of music.

00:34:08.972 --> 00:34:11.632
My family listened to different. like my father used to

00:34:11.632 --> 00:34:14.792
have eight tracks in the car so i grew up listening to zz hill

00:34:14.792 --> 00:34:17.632
down on blues because that was in

00:34:17.632 --> 00:34:20.512
there then my mother listened to country and then sometimes

00:34:20.512 --> 00:34:23.972
when i could get a chance you know i would listen to some some rap that you

00:34:23.972 --> 00:34:26.432
know somebody might have brought an album to school we was able to play in the

00:34:26.432 --> 00:34:29.752
school i was listening to the radio and you know then i listened to some some

00:34:29.752 --> 00:34:38.692
some some uh talk radio so everything was a melting pot but ironically because I grew up in church.

00:34:39.272 --> 00:34:45.292
So my grandfather, and I come to find this out, used to entertain a recording artist.

00:34:46.012 --> 00:34:49.372
These old school people like Fairly Caesar and the Five Blind Boys,

00:34:49.512 --> 00:34:55.212
all these people, he used to have them stay at his house because in those days

00:34:55.212 --> 00:34:58.132
they would come to the church and they would perform at the church,

00:34:58.232 --> 00:34:58.952
administer at the church.

00:34:59.092 --> 00:35:02.212
So they would do that. So some of these guys, I'm playing now.

00:35:02.512 --> 00:35:06.332
My father actually had a small in New Jersey.

00:35:06.632 --> 00:35:10.212
I think his name was The Love Line or something like that.

00:35:10.452 --> 00:35:14.472
These are things I didn't learn until later, but it was later on when I was

00:35:14.472 --> 00:35:16.592
working in a factory in Ashton City, Tennessee.

00:35:16.892 --> 00:35:20.792
I was working in a factory as an independent welder, welding parts, making it that time.

00:35:21.152 --> 00:35:25.552
We're talking about maybe in the early 90s. I watched a man drop dead.

00:35:26.329 --> 00:35:29.109
On the floor when I was leaving work one day.

00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:35.749
When I got home, I blew soot out of my nose while I was in the shower because

00:35:35.749 --> 00:35:37.329
I was well in those parts.

00:35:37.469 --> 00:35:40.029
Well, the soot was black, or the snot was black, I should say.

00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:44.149
And so when I saw that, I said, I can't keep doing this for 20,

00:35:44.289 --> 00:35:46.049
30 years. I said, this is crazy.

00:35:46.529 --> 00:35:49.429
So I said, what am I going to do? I said, God, I said, you've got my attention.

00:35:49.769 --> 00:35:52.249
Like what do you want me to do with my life?

00:35:52.829 --> 00:35:56.629
And so the very next thing that happened was I could hear my parents' voices

00:35:56.629 --> 00:35:59.449
in my ass saying, you need to go back to school, you need to go back to school.

00:35:59.709 --> 00:36:03.169
And I've been avoiding that that whole time because I was just doing my thing.

00:36:03.429 --> 00:36:07.629
And so the next day when I was on my way to work, I would leave the house at

00:36:07.629 --> 00:36:09.869
about 5.45 in the morning.

00:36:10.069 --> 00:36:12.489
And it took me almost an hour to get to work from Oak Grove,

00:36:12.589 --> 00:36:14.109
Kentucky, all the way into Aspen City.

00:36:15.029 --> 00:36:20.509
So I was listening to the radio, and Ernie Allen was on the radio with a guy by the name of T.

00:36:20.629 --> 00:36:24.069
Wright. And they were doing a morning show and so in the afternoons,

00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:28.329
I will listen to a young lady on that same station Which was not it to you for sure.

00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:33.709
Fuck if you were close upon the close to see me and I remember God saying that's

00:36:33.709 --> 00:36:39.709
what I want you to do And so that next day when I got to work on my lunch break

00:36:39.709 --> 00:36:43.029
I pulled out the phone book now we have do good But then we had the phone with

00:36:43.029 --> 00:36:46.049
the yellow pages as I started flipping through the phone book Yes,

00:36:46.069 --> 00:36:47.489
I want to be glad I was like,

00:36:47.929 --> 00:36:51.549
you know, what do we do next? I said, I'm looking for a school. They said, for what?

00:36:51.749 --> 00:36:55.149
I said, I'm going to school for radio broadcasting. They said, you're going to do what?

00:36:55.369 --> 00:36:57.809
I said, yeah, I'm going to go back to school. This is what I want to do.

00:36:58.069 --> 00:37:00.269
And I thought I was crazy. They sort of looked at me like, okay.

00:37:01.229 --> 00:37:03.809
Well, I ended up going back to school or going to school.

00:37:05.209 --> 00:37:09.669
And ironically, we used to have what's called Come Together Day at 92Q.

00:37:09.769 --> 00:37:12.969
I'm not sure if you remember that. The huge event where the entire city would come.

00:37:13.249 --> 00:37:17.449
Yes. And it just turned into something totally horrible.

00:37:18.269 --> 00:37:21.809
At the inception, it was wonderful.

00:37:22.540 --> 00:37:26.340
And I wish we still had it, but you guys keep going. You had come together today.

00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:28.280
I was trying to say when it was good.

00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:35.920
But anyway, so while I was on stage, the entire group, all the guys that I used

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.620
to work with at the factory had came to come together.

00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:43.520
And it all had a section where they were hanging out and standing around because they came together.

00:37:43.940 --> 00:37:49.720
And while I was on stage, all those guys that I worked with yelled my name from

00:37:49.720 --> 00:37:51.320
that corner. and say, yo, X, man.

00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:54.320
I gave him a shout out from the stage and I went over there to speak to him

00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.320
because they had seen what God had brought me from working with them to now

00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.860
I'm on the stage introducing you like Yolanda Adams and I can't think of who

00:38:02.860 --> 00:38:06.300
else was coming up on the stage. So that was another God moment for me.

00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.340
Man, won't he do it? Won't he do it?

00:38:10.580 --> 00:38:17.320
Won't he do it? I tell you what, I've had confirmations in my life about this

00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.180
particular thing that we're doing right now.

00:38:19.180 --> 00:38:25.340
This this podcasting thing, man, God has given me so many conference confirmations

00:38:25.340 --> 00:38:27.420
about me being on the right path.

00:38:27.580 --> 00:38:33.020
And and this is where I needed to be in life was doing interviews,

00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:37.080
talking to gentlemen, getting their stories, shining the light.

00:38:37.200 --> 00:38:40.340
Like I said, on ordinary men that have done extraordinary things,

00:38:40.540 --> 00:38:42.440
the things that you are mentioning.

00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.280
So many people will remember, like I said, come together today.

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:53.860
I remember the inception of Come Together Day, and it was amazing. It was great.

00:38:54.180 --> 00:38:58.580
And yes, along the years and a long time comes change.

00:38:58.820 --> 00:39:04.340
But I was sad to see when it made its way all the way out to Rosa Parks,

00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:07.680
which used to be Metro Center. And then it just kind of went downhill.

00:39:09.207 --> 00:39:13.667
It just kind of it just kind of went to the dogs.

00:39:13.907 --> 00:39:19.587
And that's all I'm going to say about that. But the original premise and concept

00:39:19.587 --> 00:39:21.407
was amazing. It was great.

00:39:21.607 --> 00:39:25.767
And it was something for the community to celebrate and come together.

00:39:25.767 --> 00:39:27.927
Because, yeah, Nashville is in New York.

00:39:28.067 --> 00:39:33.507
Nashville is not L.A. Nashville is not Atlanta. But we do have a wonderful,

00:39:33.727 --> 00:39:36.707
wonderful African-American culture here.

00:39:36.707 --> 00:39:43.127
But the thing is, we need to come together a little bit more and better and support each other.

00:39:43.267 --> 00:39:49.047
As I drive down Jefferson Street now, I'm saddened because it's like everybody's selling out.

00:39:50.087 --> 00:39:56.807
When Jefferson Street used to be the epicenter, the Ritz and the Elks Lodge

00:39:56.807 --> 00:40:01.367
and all those things and all the places that used to be on Jefferson that celebrated

00:40:01.367 --> 00:40:03.727
our culture are now gone.

00:40:04.947 --> 00:40:08.387
And the young people are just letting it go and

00:40:08.387 --> 00:40:11.307
not trying to figure out where where they came from

00:40:11.307 --> 00:40:14.487
and i quote my brother my brother says this if

00:40:14.487 --> 00:40:19.047
you erase your history how do you know where you came from how do you know where

00:40:19.047 --> 00:40:25.227
to start when it when we have to go back how do you know if you want to erase

00:40:25.227 --> 00:40:26.787
the history if you want to take away

00:40:26.787 --> 00:40:31.787
the monuments of the things that our forefathers have built for us. Why?

00:40:32.507 --> 00:40:36.667
Because when it all falls down, we have nothing to fall back on.

00:40:37.407 --> 00:40:41.707
But that's the society that we live in now. Everybody wants to erase everything.

00:40:41.947 --> 00:40:43.387
This didn't happen. That didn't happen.

00:40:43.947 --> 00:40:47.807
Funny, I talk about being a bus driver and I didn't even really tell anybody,

00:40:48.047 --> 00:40:49.847
but you just made me think about this story.

00:40:50.067 --> 00:40:54.347
So I was on the bus Monday afternoon.

00:40:54.387 --> 00:40:57.227
It was last Thursday, right before it snowed. It was last Thursday,

00:40:57.387 --> 00:41:01.007
right before it snowed. And an eight year old little boy asked me,

00:41:01.127 --> 00:41:03.407
how old was I? And I said, I'm 45.

00:41:03.847 --> 00:41:08.367
And he said, what year was you born? I said, I was born in 1979.

00:41:09.247 --> 00:41:13.087
And this little boy asked me, no, it's going to be offensive.

00:41:13.087 --> 00:41:16.087
I don't really want to ask you, but it's a little African-American boy.

00:41:16.187 --> 00:41:20.107
He says, were you a slave? Wow.

00:41:21.887 --> 00:41:25.227
And I was like, no, I was not a slave. I was born free.

00:41:25.387 --> 00:41:32.947
And he was like, oh, You was born in 1979 I thought you was a slave It's like no, no, slavery was Way,

00:41:33.207 --> 00:41:38.687
way, way, my mama was free My grandma, my grandma was free Even though my grandmother

00:41:38.687 --> 00:41:42.707
Was born on the Bellmead Plantation But her father and her mother were free

00:41:42.707 --> 00:41:45.187
When she was born on the Bellmead Plantation,

00:41:46.180 --> 00:41:50.080
So this life is just it is something else.

00:41:50.600 --> 00:41:53.980
OK, so we've got a lot of the business out of the way and we're on the backside

00:41:53.980 --> 00:41:57.800
of this interview because we usually try to keep it at about an hour, hour, 15 minutes.

00:41:58.640 --> 00:42:03.340
So let's get to the party. So if I got a few questions to ask you,

00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:07.300
nothing too weird, nothing too strange, nothing too personal.

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:09.560
But it's just a couple of questions I have to ask.

00:42:09.700 --> 00:42:13.240
I ask every guest that comes on my show. first question if

00:42:13.240 --> 00:42:16.300
i was to get in your vehicle right now what would

00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:25.920
be playing on the radio fourth okay sports talk radio sports talk radio yeah

00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:33.380
what's x-man's guilty pleasure including sweets any particular sweets.

00:42:34.540 --> 00:42:37.380
Depends on the day or the week most recently i

00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:42.800
had a chest I got a

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.600
pecan pie I got a pecan

00:42:46.600 --> 00:42:49.240
pie What do we got here in the

00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:52.680
chat It says You can't know

00:42:52.680 --> 00:42:56.580
where you're going If you don't know Where

00:42:56.580 --> 00:42:59.800
you began That's a good one It

00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.040
came out of our comment section In

00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:06.340
the chat Let me see what we got here you've been

00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:09.860
married for 17 years shout out

00:43:09.860 --> 00:43:15.600
to my wife regina regina miss regina shouts out and you said you have four children

00:43:15.600 --> 00:43:20.060
yeah through through uh through our blended family i do have kids before i was

00:43:20.060 --> 00:43:28.520
married so yes those are your children yes okay which one of your children do you like the most,

00:43:29.571 --> 00:43:33.691
All of them are the same. They're all the same on my eye. Great answer.

00:43:34.891 --> 00:43:39.891
Great answer. Great answer. Great answer. That's what I don't try to find people.

00:43:40.411 --> 00:43:44.591
And I don't distinguish between my stepkids and my biological kids.

00:43:44.951 --> 00:43:48.691
Yeah, that's why I said, I didn't say your stepkids or your biologicals.

00:43:49.071 --> 00:43:52.191
Yeah. Because I tell people. If I use the term, though, but if I use the term,

00:43:52.271 --> 00:43:54.631
though, I don't use it because people say, all right, they ain't step nothing.

00:43:54.631 --> 00:44:00.111
But sometimes I've learned that in some instances You have to identify the difference

00:44:00.111 --> 00:44:02.691
So that people understand And when I make a statement,

00:44:02.831 --> 00:44:07.411
I love them all the same Because that was one of them That's a whole other subject

00:44:07.411 --> 00:44:11.871
there But it is Listen to this podcast, including our kids Yes,

00:44:11.991 --> 00:44:15.711
I love you all the same And y'all know this Without equivocation or hesitation,

00:44:15.811 --> 00:44:20.231
they know this Right, right I love all my children the same They're all mine,

00:44:21.071 --> 00:44:24.831
Regardless how they became mine And they're all mine. And I love them all the same.

00:44:24.971 --> 00:44:28.391
None of them. I love none of them more than I love the other ones.

00:44:28.751 --> 00:44:33.851
You know, I've got I've got four daughters and one son and one of my daughters.

00:44:34.371 --> 00:44:38.231
I have two older daughters and two younger daughters.

00:44:38.731 --> 00:44:43.251
And one of my oldest ones on my birthday was last month. And one of my gifts

00:44:43.251 --> 00:44:46.171
was a ultrasound picture. She's pregnant.

00:44:47.031 --> 00:44:52.011
Congratulations. I'm about to be a granddad this summer. Welcome to the club.

00:44:52.291 --> 00:44:54.771
It'll be the first one. Welcome to the club.

00:44:55.811 --> 00:45:00.751
What's that? What is being a grandpa like? I'm going to put Ben Tinker.

00:45:01.211 --> 00:45:06.071
When he found out he found his first grandchild, he said that grandchildren

00:45:06.071 --> 00:45:09.751
are God's blessed to protect the grandparents from not killing the kids.

00:45:10.431 --> 00:45:14.251
Great. That's a great answer. I love that. I love that one.

00:45:14.611 --> 00:45:19.911
Okay. So, yeah, I love that. Okay. So, it's lunchtime. You're in a crunch.

00:45:20.571 --> 00:45:22.531
Where are you going to go get something to eat at?

00:45:23.189 --> 00:45:28.969
Oh, wow. Today it was Veggie-licious. Veggie-licious? Where is that located?

00:45:29.449 --> 00:45:35.489
It is on 6th Street, right down the street from MLK, right down the street from WFSA. Okay.

00:45:36.249 --> 00:45:40.349
In North Nashville. Okay, we got a question. It says, what are your children's ages?

00:45:41.809 --> 00:45:44.769
Oldest is 33. The youngest is 22.

00:45:45.649 --> 00:45:49.009
Okay. Biological. Youngest, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Caribbean,

00:45:49.649 --> 00:45:53.489
naturally 19, 20. This is my... Okay.

00:45:53.849 --> 00:45:58.749
Okay. All right. So Veggielicious.

00:45:59.249 --> 00:46:05.489
So if you're not in a crunch and you got time to spare and you're taking someone

00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:07.429
out to lunch, where are you taking them to?

00:46:09.029 --> 00:46:09.749
Zaxby's.

00:46:12.349 --> 00:46:15.549
Zaxby's. Lunchby's or Silver Sands.

00:46:16.129 --> 00:46:20.789
Silver Sands, another Nashville staple. Yes.

00:46:25.029 --> 00:46:30.109
Man, listen, what happened to the soul food movement in Nashville?

00:46:31.849 --> 00:46:36.029
It's fed up because now you've got soul one and on Charlotte Avenue and he's

00:46:36.029 --> 00:46:37.909
branched out to Antioch and I think the airport.

00:46:38.189 --> 00:46:41.089
You've got King and Castay. You've got sweats.

00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:45.489
There is there are a few other places. I can't think of their names offhand.

00:46:45.649 --> 00:46:47.989
But they're fed out and they're doing pretty well.

00:46:47.989 --> 00:46:50.989
A lot of non-people of

00:46:50.989 --> 00:46:53.969
color do enjoy self-food i i think

00:46:53.969 --> 00:46:57.029
just in my opinion now that's a great question i think

00:46:57.029 --> 00:47:00.009
it's about marketing that you asked me i think that

00:47:00.009 --> 00:47:02.909
we we sort of do ourselves in some cases a

00:47:02.909 --> 00:47:06.049
good service when we have the first food restaurant but

00:47:06.049 --> 00:47:10.129
it doesn't but the but the establishment is not it's not

00:47:10.129 --> 00:47:12.889
there's not a lot of investment into the into the

00:47:12.889 --> 00:47:15.589
how it looks you know so you may start you

00:47:15.589 --> 00:47:18.409
may start off you know what i'm saying and you know where

00:47:18.409 --> 00:47:21.329
you can get in get in where you sit in but once you start making money

00:47:21.329 --> 00:47:24.469
i mean invest in the thing that was that's what i liked about knockout wings

00:47:24.469 --> 00:47:27.349
then invest it in their business before they sold it

00:47:27.349 --> 00:47:30.109
so yeah you know and this is so off the

00:47:30.109 --> 00:47:32.969
subject but i just had that conversation with my

00:47:32.969 --> 00:47:36.169
brothers we went into one of the local because

00:47:36.169 --> 00:47:39.169
the question the question what you said kind

00:47:39.169 --> 00:47:42.349
of go in coincide each other the question was what

00:47:42.349 --> 00:47:45.649
is your go-to natural hot chicken a natural

00:47:45.649 --> 00:47:48.469
hot chicken go-to that would be if i try to go

00:47:48.469 --> 00:47:51.369
there's a place called helen's hot chicken which is on the corner right right.

00:47:51.369 --> 00:47:54.729
Behind my hair it was about dd todd and then

00:47:54.729 --> 00:47:57.309
princess because here's the

00:47:57.309 --> 00:48:00.029
thing we went a few weeks ago we went into one

00:48:00.029 --> 00:48:03.369
of the hot chicken spots and we were

00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:09.769
saying the same thing you were saying but in a different manner because it's

00:48:09.769 --> 00:48:15.729
exactly what you said they don't reinvest the money to keep the place up you

00:48:15.729 --> 00:48:19.369
know it's just come and get the food and move on about your way yes the food

00:48:19.369 --> 00:48:22.509
is good but your appearance is horrible.

00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:26.450
Renovation that's that's the word god dropped in my spirit i'm going

00:48:26.450 --> 00:48:29.730
to take time you said yes there's a word renovation renovation

00:48:29.730 --> 00:48:32.730
is the word once you start and again i'm not criticizing

00:48:32.730 --> 00:48:35.670
anybody my thing is because you start off you know it's

00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:38.110
a dream you know you want to start up a business you don't have a lot of money

00:48:38.110 --> 00:48:43.350
but then once you start making money and you get a place like renovated you

00:48:43.350 --> 00:48:47.310
know make it top 10 or make it presentable so when people come in it doesn't

00:48:47.310 --> 00:48:53.290
look if every black business restaurant does not have to look hood very true very true

00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:58.170
And the one we went in, it looked really, it looked like it needed to be painted.

00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:01.230
The decor was horrible.

00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:08.310
You know, the food is delicious. But when you walk in, it looks like a deserted

00:49:08.310 --> 00:49:13.210
building on the inside with a counter with people up there talking about, how can I help you?

00:49:13.910 --> 00:49:17.070
Yeah. But you look at the food. Yeah.

00:49:17.750 --> 00:49:21.390
You're there for the food because the food is wonderful. But the record,

00:49:21.590 --> 00:49:24.670
you're like, oh, man, they could have did a little better. They could have.

00:49:24.870 --> 00:49:26.010
Y'all need some new chairs.

00:49:26.390 --> 00:49:29.650
Can we get some paint on the wall? Can we can we get some new flooring?

00:49:29.810 --> 00:49:33.170
What about these sealed ceiling tiles up here, man? They look like the water

00:49:33.170 --> 00:49:34.830
and drip through and you never took them down.

00:49:36.611 --> 00:49:38.831
And see, knockout wings, and I'm going to bring them up again.

00:49:39.171 --> 00:49:42.411
I'm not quite sure. So I might have been at 92 Q&A.

00:49:42.671 --> 00:49:46.371
It used to be across the street from where it was where the building that they

00:49:46.371 --> 00:49:49.891
sold now is located. And it was a small building.

00:49:50.371 --> 00:49:54.731
It was not like one bathroom, one way in, one way out. I mean,

00:49:54.751 --> 00:49:57.631
it was a really small... I remember it was a little building across the street.

00:49:57.771 --> 00:50:02.031
I remember next to the fire shop. A little bitty building. Yeah, exactly. It was small.

00:50:02.351 --> 00:50:05.751
And then they made so much money there, they brought the building across the street.

00:50:05.751 --> 00:50:08.871
Built it wherever it was and invested in it i'm

00:50:08.871 --> 00:50:12.211
like wow this is how you do it and so you

00:50:12.211 --> 00:50:16.371
know i would like to see them stay around and maybe maybe franchise that place

00:50:16.371 --> 00:50:20.851
but i guess you know they they they wanted the money so yeah yeah they made

00:50:20.851 --> 00:50:24.471
their money and they moved on in the comment section somebody agreed with you

00:50:24.471 --> 00:50:29.851
and they said what he said and somebody also said lack of business awareness.

00:50:30.531 --> 00:50:38.571
Yeah. Well, I will say, let me say this, I understand what they're saying,

00:50:39.331 --> 00:50:42.471
that now that's going to be separate from the business awareness.

00:50:42.991 --> 00:50:46.731
This is just going to be good old-fashioned like, would you leave your house

00:50:46.731 --> 00:50:49.871
like that? I mean, it's a restaurant. Right.

00:50:50.951 --> 00:50:54.891
You're making money. And sometimes we know you're making money because if we

00:50:54.891 --> 00:50:56.891
keep coming in there and we see a stock in there,

00:50:56.891 --> 00:50:59.931
we do the math you know you can you

00:50:59.931 --> 00:51:02.651
can invest in your in your business you can

00:51:02.651 --> 00:51:05.891
renovate your business you can hire some carpenters come in there hire some

00:51:05.891 --> 00:51:08.791
of these groups i haven't been on what it would take to you know throw a

00:51:08.791 --> 00:51:12.451
roof on there paint the outside you know pave the parking lot or find another

00:51:12.451 --> 00:51:15.671
you know something that's stuff you know so you have to do it you just have

00:51:15.671 --> 00:51:19.251
to do it that that way it just speaks to your mindset your business mindset

00:51:19.251 --> 00:51:22.331
of why are you really doing this and so if you're just making money you don't

00:51:22.331 --> 00:51:26.151
care nothing about the establishment and your mindset is, when I make the money, I'm good.

00:51:26.911 --> 00:51:30.931
Well, then that pretty much, yeah, yeah, I'm going to leave it there.

00:51:31.531 --> 00:51:34.091
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, we're going to drive down another street.

00:51:34.431 --> 00:51:40.031
Okay, so the question is, do you have any connections with the people over at

00:51:40.031 --> 00:51:41.871
the Jefferson Street Sound Museum?

00:51:43.091 --> 00:51:47.651
That would be Mr. Lorenzo. So what do you mean by connections? So I do know Mr. Lorenzo.

00:51:47.831 --> 00:51:53.511
He is an excellent pioneer when it comes to making sure that a lot of the history,

00:51:53.791 --> 00:51:59.291
ecstasy of musical history of Nashville and ecstasy North Nashville is preserved and archived.

00:51:59.471 --> 00:52:03.671
So it shouts out to Mr. Lorenzo right over there on the Jefferson Street Sound

00:52:03.671 --> 00:52:06.831
Museum, right off Jefferson Street across the Citizens Bank. Yes.

00:52:07.611 --> 00:52:11.631
All right. So here's here's where we are.

00:52:12.051 --> 00:52:18.111
You have had a wonderful career. do you feel like you're going to stop anytime soon?

00:52:19.525 --> 00:52:24.845
Only God knows that, but one of the things that I really share what the move

00:52:24.845 --> 00:52:27.945
of God is going to be, but I say here, I guess we can call this breaking news.

00:52:28.145 --> 00:52:32.645
I'm sort of doing what you're doing now, and God is elevating real gospel because

00:52:32.645 --> 00:52:36.485
right now it's just naturally syndicated on what's called the Rejoicing Network.

00:52:36.825 --> 00:52:41.125
So real gospel, which is my three-hour gospel program, is heard really all over

00:52:41.125 --> 00:52:43.005
the world because we're all in different countries.

00:52:43.385 --> 00:52:49.325
So God has allowed me to grow that soul from not having, when I left 92Q,

00:52:49.525 --> 00:52:57.105
and got to WFSA, not only did I walk away from that genre, but I also did not own one gospel CD.

00:52:57.705 --> 00:53:01.385
So my mother had to give me music, I think, and they gave me a couple of CDs.

00:53:01.765 --> 00:53:06.245
So people were donating music to me because I didn't know anything about the gospel music genre.

00:53:06.525 --> 00:53:10.605
And so here I am talking to God, saying, okay, I'm going to do this and I'm

00:53:10.605 --> 00:53:12.905
going to show you I appreciate you and I love you.

00:53:13.065 --> 00:53:17.845
And I didn't know anything about gospel music outside of Silver Caesar and James

00:53:17.845 --> 00:53:21.505
Cleveland and Kurt Sinklin, I probably didn't know much of anybody.

00:53:21.805 --> 00:53:24.685
So I have to relearn that entire thing. But now I'm moving.

00:53:25.405 --> 00:53:31.125
Real Gospel is morphing into more videos. So I'm working on a TV show.

00:53:31.565 --> 00:53:33.885
I'm working on a video podcast.

00:53:34.365 --> 00:53:38.065
And so God is shifting things in a different direction for this new day and

00:53:38.065 --> 00:53:41.805
age. And that's what God sort of has to be focused on in 2025.

00:53:42.405 --> 00:53:46.725
Now, early in the conversation, you talked about going over to the party and

00:53:46.725 --> 00:53:48.545
learning about different genres of music.

00:53:48.745 --> 00:53:53.465
I think, being that Nashville only had one urban station, so my mother listened to everything.

00:53:54.305 --> 00:54:00.305
In my playlist, it is eclectic. I mean, there's everything from Elton John to

00:54:00.305 --> 00:54:05.665
Aerosmith to Yolanda Adams to...

00:54:06.385 --> 00:54:09.105
I would do anything for love. It's my number one, man. Come on,

00:54:09.125 --> 00:54:10.125
we're playing. Okay. Awesome.

00:54:12.965 --> 00:54:19.925
Ain't no doubt about it, Baby, I'm Shirley Dottie We were doubly blessed Because

00:54:19.925 --> 00:54:26.345
we were only 17 And we were barely dressed Come on now Come on,

00:54:27.365 --> 00:54:34.705
Hey, listen I listen to everything I listen to all types of music Because you

00:54:34.705 --> 00:54:39.165
never know the messages you're going to get Regardless of music And my mother

00:54:39.165 --> 00:54:44.925
always taught me To broaden my horizons Bet out of hell That's it, Bubba.

00:54:50.985 --> 00:54:56.485
That album right there, man, I think I rode for about a year listening to that album.

00:54:56.585 --> 00:54:59.405
And I pull up at places and they'd be like, they look at me.

00:54:59.525 --> 00:55:02.265
You know that look they give you when they hear that music coming out of your

00:55:02.265 --> 00:55:05.325
car. And they're like, he's listening to what?

00:55:06.211 --> 00:55:11.211
Yes, ma'am. I sure am. Thank you. Have a good day. Have a good day.

00:55:11.351 --> 00:55:12.651
Yes, I am listening to that.

00:55:12.811 --> 00:55:18.771
But just because my skin got melanin in it don't mean I don't know good music. Now get on out of here.

00:55:21.011 --> 00:55:27.271
So the other question is, do you have any advice? Like I said at the beginning, I am seven.

00:55:27.391 --> 00:55:31.211
I'm about to be seven months in and I've been doing this.

00:55:31.371 --> 00:55:35.731
Listen, I've been convicted by God and also held accountable by my brother in

00:55:35.731 --> 00:55:42.151
Christ, Dave, to do this and make sure that I stay consistent.

00:55:42.351 --> 00:55:46.271
Do you have any advice for a newcomer in the industry?

00:55:47.331 --> 00:55:50.171
I do. I'm going to tell you what God is telling me to tell you all.

00:55:50.331 --> 00:55:53.451
But first and foremost, Father God, in the name of your saint Jesus Christ,

00:55:53.471 --> 00:55:57.731
I seek blessings and increase over this program right now. And not only will

00:55:57.731 --> 00:56:04.991
it increase, it will also reach people where ordinary radio and ordinary podcasts will not reach.

00:56:05.151 --> 00:56:10.091
And so we seek that over their lives and also over this program in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

00:56:10.751 --> 00:56:15.831
And that is continue to do what you do and don't look at it.

00:56:15.931 --> 00:56:17.411
But don't do it for the money.

00:56:17.911 --> 00:56:22.171
Do it for the very reason that is in your hearts, which is to reach people.

00:56:22.171 --> 00:56:26.891
And when you reach people, God is going to continue to bless your program because

00:56:26.891 --> 00:56:30.051
one of the things that God is showing me even today,

00:56:30.551 --> 00:56:40.291
even today, that as I'm talking to you all, I keep discovering radio interviews that I did over 10,

00:56:40.671 --> 00:56:46.071
13 years ago that I burnt on CDs in closets that I forgot about.

00:56:46.071 --> 00:56:49.831
I came across a DVD from 2007.

00:56:50.591 --> 00:56:54.231
I'm not sure if you know who Minister DeWitt Johnson is, but he had asked me

00:56:54.231 --> 00:56:58.351
to emcee one of his TV programs that he did back in 2007.

00:56:58.951 --> 00:57:04.671
And I found that on a shelf someplace and I looked at it and I said, oh, my God, this is 2007.

00:57:04.951 --> 00:57:08.991
This is full television production, professional.

00:57:09.331 --> 00:57:13.991
And I popped it in. I said, oh, my God, that's me. So I've got all this content

00:57:13.991 --> 00:57:19.391
that I am now trying to figure out how to convert over to do something similar

00:57:19.391 --> 00:57:21.491
to what you do for video purposes.

00:57:21.771 --> 00:57:26.631
And so God has helped me organize that and slowly walk that. So content is king.

00:57:27.051 --> 00:57:30.331
So as long as you continue to have great conversation and continue to reach

00:57:30.331 --> 00:57:35.251
people and do that and you continue to create content, God will bless you and

00:57:35.251 --> 00:57:38.931
open doors for you for years to come as you continue to grow.

00:57:38.931 --> 00:57:41.731
So just like you say, you're starting off here and then eventually you have

00:57:41.731 --> 00:57:45.511
the cameras and all that other stuff, but you will have a tremendous amount of content.

00:57:46.398 --> 00:57:53.598
Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. And my man says money. Who said anything about money?

00:57:54.998 --> 00:57:58.078
We didn't. It wasn't never. It was at the beginning.

00:57:58.258 --> 00:58:02.358
It was like I told you, it was never about money. It was about having a place.

00:58:02.518 --> 00:58:06.898
This is what God placed on my heart. He said, have a place where men can have

00:58:06.898 --> 00:58:11.138
honest conversations and be vulnerable and be transparent. parent.

00:58:11.298 --> 00:58:17.158
It's never about the money. To me, my mission and my ministry is to help men

00:58:17.158 --> 00:58:21.978
who are down, who are despaired and feel like they have nowhere else to turn.

00:58:22.138 --> 00:58:25.818
Because when a man feels like he has nowhere else to turn, he turns to violence.

00:58:26.238 --> 00:58:32.158
He turns to addiction. He turns to all the wicked things that this world can throw at him.

00:58:32.298 --> 00:58:36.178
So why not have a platform where he can come and have a conversation in the

00:58:36.178 --> 00:58:37.798
privacy of his car while he's crying,

00:58:37.938 --> 00:58:41.998
in the privacy of his bathroom while he's crying or while he's praying to God

00:58:41.998 --> 00:58:47.358
to take whatever the weight of his shoulders off of him and remove whatever's

00:58:47.358 --> 00:58:50.358
bound him to whatever it's bound to.

00:58:51.098 --> 00:58:54.418
So money, money comes and goes.

00:58:54.698 --> 00:58:58.438
I tell people all the time, I never wanted to be rich. I want to be able to

00:58:58.438 --> 00:59:03.158
pay my bills, take a couple of vacations and make sure my children have everything

00:59:03.158 --> 00:59:06.578
they need and 50% of the things that they want.

00:59:08.258 --> 00:59:11.258
That's all i ever wanted in life i don't want to be rich i

00:59:11.258 --> 00:59:14.118
don't want to be famous now i have always had a dream of having

00:59:14.118 --> 00:59:17.018
my life my name up in a moniker somewhere that is

00:59:17.018 --> 00:59:19.818
just a dream i've had since i was a kid to have

00:59:19.818 --> 00:59:23.558
my name on a moniker the old school moniker where they had to screw in all the

00:59:23.558 --> 00:59:26.718
little white bubs they had to spell out your name with all the little white

00:59:26.718 --> 00:59:31.938
bubs and put it up on a moniker that was always a dream i had unless it says

00:59:31.938 --> 00:59:37.938
we have lost the barbershop is what it says in the comments and what he means

00:59:37.938 --> 00:59:39.658
by I get what he means by that.

00:59:39.858 --> 00:59:43.698
You know, the, you know, the barbershop used to be a place where men could go

00:59:43.698 --> 00:59:48.298
and have conversations and things of that nature, but we don't have it anymore.

00:59:49.338 --> 00:59:55.738
The barbershop has become a place of, of iniquity is what the barbershop has become.

00:59:56.018 --> 01:00:00.638
So here is a sacred place. I mean, I'm not saying that anybody's not invited

01:00:00.638 --> 01:00:05.138
because everyone is invited, but it's not, we don't do fluff here.

01:00:05.498 --> 01:00:11.278
Now, don't get me wrong. We're not, we're not, we're not going to throw the

01:00:11.278 --> 01:00:15.258
Bible down your throat, but God is always in it because God is the one who created

01:00:15.258 --> 01:00:17.298
it and God's going to be the one to keep it going.

01:00:17.478 --> 01:00:23.058
Because sometimes when you throw relationship, I mean, when you throw So religion

01:00:23.058 --> 01:00:27.618
down someone who's hurting throat, that's just insult to their injury.

01:00:29.398 --> 01:00:35.338
So God is always going to come into the conversation. He's always going to send a blessing.

01:00:35.498 --> 01:00:41.098
He's always going to send a word. But I want to meet every man where he is so

01:00:41.098 --> 01:00:43.038
I can get him where he needs to go.

01:00:43.805 --> 01:00:46.585
When you meet them in the barbershop, you know, although, you know,

01:00:46.685 --> 01:00:50.005
visa class is my personal and savior, in the barbershop, there are people of

01:00:50.005 --> 01:00:55.545
many nationalities and religions in there who believe in all kinds of things.

01:00:55.985 --> 01:00:59.065
And oftentimes when I'm in and getting my hair cut, I'm listening and learning.

01:00:59.245 --> 01:01:01.945
There's some things I learned about people, other people's faiths,

01:01:02.045 --> 01:01:04.885
just simply sitting in there and listening to them.

01:01:05.565 --> 01:01:08.305
So that's part of the barbershop as well. Yes, yes.

01:01:08.445 --> 01:01:11.545
I mean, I'm not saying we don't look to the barbershop. I mean,

01:01:12.005 --> 01:01:15.445
yeah, I mean, so for people, because one of the things about platform is that

01:01:15.445 --> 01:01:17.365
people listen at different times and different phases.

01:01:17.985 --> 01:01:23.005
And so I'm talking to you. I'm also speaking to the listeners as well in broad

01:01:23.005 --> 01:01:26.105
because they're listening to this in 2026 and 2027.

01:01:26.625 --> 01:01:30.325
The information is still relevant. But I try to make sure that I'm speaking

01:01:30.325 --> 01:01:33.225
to them in a conversation a way that makes them feel like they're included.

01:01:34.365 --> 01:01:36.865
Understandable. And I thank you for that. I thank you for the lesson.

01:01:37.545 --> 01:01:42.705
I thank you for that. That is that is I didn't grasp it until you explained

01:01:42.705 --> 01:01:44.945
it to me, but I understand it now. I understand.

01:01:46.665 --> 01:01:50.185
Radio sound conversation. And that was driven down my throat by Terry Fox.

01:01:55.245 --> 01:02:02.705
Hey, listen, I take all advice and I am a student. I am a lifelong student.

01:02:02.705 --> 01:02:06.385
Every day I want to learn something new because I feel like if I don't learn

01:02:06.385 --> 01:02:09.245
something new every day, then something's wrong.

01:02:09.405 --> 01:02:13.705
I want to be a lifelong student, whether it's learning, learning a little boy's

01:02:13.705 --> 01:02:19.805
name or a little girl's name or what their parents do or learning a new trick while I'm driving.

01:02:19.805 --> 01:02:25.185
In or if it's to learn an administrator's name at the school or if it's to learn,

01:02:25.205 --> 01:02:29.865
you know, whatever it is like tonight, learning about radio,

01:02:30.105 --> 01:02:31.685
learning about, you know,

01:02:31.985 --> 01:02:37.045
advertising, learning about non-competing clause and all of those different

01:02:37.045 --> 01:02:42.705
things, because I never knew that radio stations gave out non-competing clause

01:02:42.705 --> 01:02:46.905
so you couldn't get a job at another radio station within 50 miles. That is crazy.

01:02:47.604 --> 01:02:51.564
Yep, that's true. That is true. Yes.

01:02:52.024 --> 01:02:55.924
And so I thought to you for driving the school bus because, let me tell you something.

01:02:56.164 --> 01:03:01.044
I worked in Metro for a few years as a sub before I got to WFSA,

01:03:01.044 --> 01:03:05.764
and there were some days I was in there, and I said, I can't believe this was

01:03:05.764 --> 01:03:07.384
the easiest job in the world. I love this.

01:03:07.704 --> 01:03:10.424
And other days, I always said, man, you can't pay me enough to be up in this.

01:03:10.504 --> 01:03:13.184
So I know how you have my feel from time to time.

01:03:13.604 --> 01:03:17.644
Really with the feelings and the slip on it. So shout out to you because Every

01:03:17.644 --> 01:03:19.104
day is like a new journey, I'm sure.

01:03:19.504 --> 01:03:22.584
Every day is a new event.

01:03:23.004 --> 01:03:27.624
Every day is a new... And then you got to think about the way Nashville has grown so much.

01:03:28.064 --> 01:03:33.364
My brothers also drive school buses. And I drive in East Nashville.

01:03:33.424 --> 01:03:35.704
And my brother drives in the Antioch area.

01:03:36.024 --> 01:03:39.884
And you know how Antioch's growing and Smyrna and Laverne and all that.

01:03:40.224 --> 01:03:44.724
It is a train wreck every day.

01:03:44.724 --> 01:03:48.004
But we wouldn't do anything else we

01:03:48.004 --> 01:03:50.804
wouldn't do anything else man when I say I

01:03:50.804 --> 01:03:53.704
love my job I love my job it is

01:03:53.704 --> 01:03:56.444
a train wreck but I would not trade it for the world you

01:03:56.444 --> 01:04:01.624
couldn't peel me from behind the wheel of a school bus man it is I cooked for

01:04:01.624 --> 01:04:08.364
18 years 18 years I've done everything from fine dining to flipping burgers

01:04:08.364 --> 01:04:12.404
at Jack in the Box to working at a retirement facility with old people where

01:04:12.404 --> 01:04:14.744
it was they complained about five things.

01:04:14.924 --> 01:04:20.324
It was too cold, too hot, too spicy, too sweet, or too salty.

01:04:20.924 --> 01:04:25.384
Every day. Every day. Those were the complaints.

01:04:25.804 --> 01:04:31.084
It says in the comments, does X-Men need an intern for his show?

01:04:33.204 --> 01:04:36.924
Time to hit me up. I'm always willing to help somebody out. Always.

01:04:38.124 --> 01:04:41.784
Even if I can, I'll point them in the right direction. All right,

01:04:41.864 --> 01:04:43.444
now, I'm going to keep you to your word.

01:04:44.124 --> 01:04:47.644
That's what I do. That's the other thing I love. I love networking people.

01:04:47.864 --> 01:04:52.744
That's one of the things that the guy's giving me a gift for is knowing where

01:04:52.744 --> 01:04:58.144
to connect people and connect people so they can get their dreams and hopes

01:04:58.144 --> 01:05:00.284
for sale through whatever mechanism.

01:05:00.924 --> 01:05:04.764
All right, we got another comment. It says, not about what you can afford.

01:05:05.044 --> 01:05:08.124
It's about what you can't afford to keep.

01:05:09.318 --> 01:05:13.978
What do they mean by that? It says it says I'm going to read it again.

01:05:14.138 --> 01:05:21.598
It says not about what you can afford. It's about what you can afford to keep.

01:05:21.878 --> 01:05:23.798
And then it says connecting the dots.

01:05:24.098 --> 01:05:29.138
So I guess we were talking about finances. It's not about what you can afford.

01:05:29.298 --> 01:05:33.378
It's about what you can afford to keep, you know, keeping peace, keeping, keeping,

01:05:33.698 --> 01:05:37.558
you know, your mental, keeping yourself from being stressed out,

01:05:37.558 --> 01:05:41.398
keeping yourself from being in a place where finances

01:05:41.398 --> 01:05:45.438
and money control your life so that's

01:05:45.438 --> 01:05:48.238
what they're saying not about what you can afford but what

01:05:48.238 --> 01:05:51.638
you can afford to keep you know if you you you

01:05:51.638 --> 01:05:54.798
can keep your sanity let's just see so

01:05:54.798 --> 01:05:58.218
if you can't what you have

01:05:58.218 --> 01:06:03.138
this is living within your means yeah yeah yeah so i mean it's all of those

01:06:03.138 --> 01:06:08.258
things and that's that's that was my definition of what they said it's it's

01:06:08.258 --> 01:06:12.938
keeping my sanity it's keeping my family connection because if you go to work

01:06:12.938 --> 01:06:16.778
and you work all day long do you have no connection with your family i have small children,

01:06:17.591 --> 01:06:20.751
So if daddy's at work all the time, then they don't ever see dad.

01:06:21.031 --> 01:06:26.391
I have a beautiful wife who loves to to hug her husband and slap me on the butt

01:06:26.391 --> 01:06:27.651
and do all these different things.

01:06:28.751 --> 01:06:31.031
If I'm at work, she can't do any of that.

01:06:33.011 --> 01:06:36.251
I have a son that I have to say, hey, man, take out the trash.

01:06:36.691 --> 01:06:40.571
If I don't, if I ain't there to do it, who's going to take out the trash?

01:06:40.851 --> 01:06:43.891
I'm going to come home and his mama's going to be taken out of trash and then I'm going to be mad.

01:06:45.011 --> 01:06:54.531
So it's to me That's my definition We dream We got We dream We get We lost Often,

01:06:55.691 --> 01:06:58.791
Work-life balance Is what Dave says In the comments

01:06:58.791 --> 01:07:07.891
You know But Here's the thing I Love What I do I love what I do Here I love

01:07:07.891 --> 01:07:12.991
driving a bus But I love this This gives This is therapy For me And it's validation

01:07:12.991 --> 01:07:15.971
on what God has said for me.

01:07:16.151 --> 01:07:21.131
It's like I was talking to my wife yesterday and we were listening to a pastor

01:07:21.131 --> 01:07:24.831
and he was saying some things about church and all these different stuff.

01:07:25.091 --> 01:07:30.331
And it was confirmation on my life and where I'd been in. As I said earlier, I was born in 79.

01:07:30.651 --> 01:07:35.091
I just turned 45, December the 21st. Well, my testimony.

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Yes, sir. Thank you. Quite a point in the house. Yes, sir. No,

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no, no, no, no. Sagittarius, last day of Sagittarius.

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Last day of Sagittarius, last day of Sagittarius. But here's my testimony.

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Years ago, when I was younger, smaller, you know, people would always see me

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and they say, it's something special about that little boy. He's got an anointing.

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And for years, you know how your mama and your grandma make you want to make

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you go to church and all those. And so when I became an adult,

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I stopped going to church.

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And then, you know, you start once you get older, you start to notice certain

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things and people in the church and just different stuff went on.

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So I had a bit of church hurt.

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And so I turned 45 years ago and God came to me and he said, it's time.

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And I kept saying, you know, I just kept hearing it's time. It's time.

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It's time. It's time. It's time. It's time. It's time.

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It's time. And I was like, God, it's time for what? And one day it just came

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to me and he said, surrender, surrender. I was like, surrender.

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What? What am I surrendering to? What is what is this about? Surrender?

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No, I'm a man. I'm I'm a beat on my chest. I'm strong. I'm a big man.

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I ain't surrendering to nothing. Nobody's going to take anything from me.

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And he said, it's time for you to surrender to me.

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And so once he said it was time for me to surrender to him, I said, OK, Lord.

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I said, I've lived this life for 30 plus years doing it my own way.

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I'm going to let you take the wheel and I'm going to let you control my life.

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And when I say these last past five years of praying and being in God's glory

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and I never knew that God's glory was so amazing, man.

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I never knew that the glory of God was so amazing.

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And I tell him all the time, I'm going to shout it from the rooftops,

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how the glory of God has changed my life, has changed my life.

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The last five years of my life have been so amazing, putting everything at his

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feet, praying, letting it go, giving it all to God, turning the other cheek, all the things.

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It may sound cliche, but this is my truth and my testimony.

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God has delivered me from so many of my demons because we all have demons.

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He's delivered me from so many of my demons, man.

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I used to walk around and I used to carry so many bags. When he says surrender,

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man, I dropped those bags and I ain't look back since.

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And so God put it on my heart to do this because it's therapy.

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And it's what he said this world needed. So I started this. You talked about

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money. It wasn't about money.

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I had to spend a little money to acquire some equipment, but that was nothing.

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I blow I blow the money that I acquired the equipment with eating,

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taking my family out, doing, you know, going on holidays, things like that.

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But to shout the message of God and give him the glory and help my brothers

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not be in the pit of despair, the cost is nothing.

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The cost is nothing. So I thank you for being here. I thank you for being on my platform.

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I thank you for the prayers. I thank you for the advice.

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I thank you for being in my life for so many years, even though you were in the background.

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I thank you for who you are, because you're an ordinary man,

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but you've done some extraordinary things in your life and you have impacted

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a lot of people around you.

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To God be glory. Thank you so much. And I also want to give a shout out to Mr.

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Sharon Kaye, the general manager of WSSK, who, you know, thought in me what

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others did not and gave me the opportunity, which also brought me before you all today.

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Hey, man, I shout out to all of those people, man. If it wasn't for him, you wouldn't be there.

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And let's see, we're going to go over these comments real quick,

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and then we're going to get out of here. It says, we don't often know how to count the cost.

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And then it says, yes, no leadership for men.

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And then the last comment, as boys, we are more in the company of women.

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So male doctors, female nurses, yes, mother, babysitters, kindergarten.

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Grade school, male principals.

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I guess it's many counselors, gym teachers and coaches.

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Oh, OK. It's a lot.

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But we are here. Sunday school. So hopefully you get it,

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You got to give me just a tad bit more on that. But we're here, man.

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And what I say to every guest is on Fridays, we do a what we call Freestyle Friday.

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Sometimes we call it Freedom Friday. And what we do is we host an open panel.

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And I know you have a busy schedule, but we host a two-hour open panel where

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men just come in and they have conversations. We talk about politics.

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We talk about raising kids.

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We talk about marriage. We talk about everything for two hours.

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We have a two hour live show where you can come in and chat. You can come in and text.

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You can come in and do all type of things with us on Fridays.

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The invitation is extended to you.

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If I ever send you a link and you're available to come in, you're more than

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welcome to come into the show.

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I would definitely love to participate and just chime in and be a part of the

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conversation. And I truly appreciate that You're welcome So what I need,

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you came in from the link I sent to your phone, right?

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Of course Send me the best picture That you want for me To use as your cover So when I.

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Post this tonight It'll be a picture of you And Whatever the picture is you

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want it to be You can be on the beach, you can be behind the microphone.

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You can be whatever you want to, but send me a picture. Therefore,

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I have a wonderful picture of you so my audience can see who it is.

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It could be your brand. It could be whatever you want to be.

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But we're about to close out.

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What advice do you have to share with the world,

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as we're headed out. Well, once again, thank you for this opportunity to participate

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in this platform, this private shop.

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This is a forum that is very well needed, and I appreciate it,

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and I'm very sure that the future guests as well as the past guests whom have

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been on will have a lot of insight and a lot of information and stories that

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will benefit just so many, so many of us.

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And so the best advice that I can give each and every one of you who are listening

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right now is the advice that my mother and father gave me, which is to keep God first.

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Amen. Amen. That is that short, sweet and simple, short, sweet and simple.

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No more, no less. Keep God first.

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You heard it here. We got the X man in the building. We thank you.

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We love you, my brother. Keep doing what you're doing.

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God is God is going. He's going to keep us going. He's going to keep us going

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as long as he wants us going. He's going to keep us going.

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And like you said, it's not about the money. If I can save one soul,

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I feel like I'm doing good.

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But I understand and I know that there's going to be more than one soul saved.

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But I just want to give God all the glory. And I want him to know that I am a soldier in his army.

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And I will forever and continuously shout from the rooftop the glory and how he has changed my life.

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For the better positive exposure always

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causes elevation in peace all righty we're about to head out of here i'm gonna

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play my i'm gonna play my my my my out music and we are going to go thank you

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sir have a great night you too thank you you're welcome.

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Music.